From: "Jim Curtis" Received: from sonic308-15.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([66.163.187.38] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTP id 7258503 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Thu, 14 Mar 2019 19:34:33 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=flash.net; s=s2048; t=1552589154; bh=39DYyKSzVW93Tsfp/HXk/oeqhWcFhoz+nLCbrLq4W2I=; h=From:Subject:Date:References:To:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=MZtMqiYGdebGGXkfGIy8c4NNiT1NnCd+jC4e1PfRXUb5r/4kfmq8dW1UVQ7jJcRXOevwmQJ22Gk/NRfp7evQuY4qRKUsJitA1XrDBI9BYfCH0s/popy6hBTeW5XvO646Lw49yMIiWrKpTaIRWDmjMQ2QF41ORhv1q3/jPTERBCNJQ32mKe/vw35r91NF+u+R4ayPcdGybOgura5xTJBKImgmers0skgRznHn+yG32rkY/DDweg8ySMPf3jT9H2R+RWz1UapjIBK2sIK6CN/HKW7aHIGPX//UaKL8JJXuc2o9CIBHvH5HC68k26cpJtyonqA9VnmcRv7PtH68I4Z2yg== X-YMail-OSG: c1BlrE4VM1mOykzEI_Zt.kwA1zt18WYpdf2GxM6f.YsnDlWf3He4d2cSG.DdOGj CImea5ZAZCA8LrgtyRAaIGrVboD1WGIuj6332Rosr_GqpBP0RnMT29LP107sB_s50YOsWOh2q7j1 fUswXE50b122UZ3t5TSXuJNiJ7Qtd5BiImudyPmUWcWJHmWRNIYSE2ZLM2IVzRByHlJR8zYQPi67 1Htf_bfY1WddSmHcjExony8Lrw.961ct3OJTbeAl8RzOlhxu7HJX1_04zExrWPYsMXaaXug.8BrN vLJmpLdxrR2Tqwmn20D4JhePshrrfoMAAFwogoelUZ_PO.Sj_4rS2NOPLEMR9Vv6nRZdkuUzVMHk WRgneibTOSQu7RFR42SL0kL04EbjJfCtUQPr1fIsE3wteyhHUOvFuaJT4H5LBDi57x4VXSB0WC7t dqRfJhCDTYbvO8ID52N21JsBgszUIaIdxIHV5Hlb9P8S0MRmW30gPE0sIWyFfWGzrSy_kmkkVMTP l5.qDEqxM5UBX8im0.cMfUQynu2md3ydVHvxgraCo.9B_.75YUHo54PIAw4hu4f8w8rZCCtNljUB 1uI6BQIF8gFmyqHjilwqneOGImtE_BpBpZY7S8NJ7HdGsW3bvf6TRT7YITScSMlkGGfTQv1He2m7 3.TK56egmITJXRMG37zlmCQL5wM2fCsffsCNuEfFOJ.rdOASEqbnm0fkjT5tyvn1BC7Uw7Iozhvr Rx9NV24NVeL7u5wswsL8Ujyreph0LVSDxyV86MOWua6DvOqw5xfrozwQ6zT1mtZvYyW2aTUxmXmj k94RNnToU5sTgod4SoLhW3UV9yaSzYrbXtSnXmKbcRTJGc8Kj92pKaxkNavFSAyHqdFiW.ySExQ2 7vvls0o4AabpyCN0emU54kL9epCqH4WDekKuL48fXc_VeWC2P3Ur5RmHa9irXgpOpRnvFaeCwvxP jmTZ1d8vPYGNyMdXuCFVXD0mtZcEBK6IHPiNNCy.WQ3C9bahqpSuxU9jccY92ZoelQNLGQcua0dq ZqChtshfU5pUisvboTAss9l3JRuFtQ9rhOmujZwOBfYDKSpIZRh5fK.E1LT4_KNbqR44N1hQzhPh Cw95dm9eopEUqHNlhcNJqDmbLJSPYqOw- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic308.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Thu, 14 Mar 2019 18:45:54 +0000 Received: from 104-48-143-159.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net (EHLO mac-pro.attlocal.net) ([104.48.143.159]) by smtp403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 829b9692c2e0e2918d26757055bf98d8 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2019 18:45:51 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_675D514B-785D-4346-958F-DE91541D074C" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Subject: Re: [AE] Demo reel critique? Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 13:45:50 -0500 References: To: After Effects Mail List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <9274A28A-BA8D-449B-A74D-429B937289CF@flash.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) --Apple-Mail=_675D514B-785D-4346-958F-DE91541D074C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Agreed, always check BoTW logos against the company site, as I presume = that will have the most current version. Also, check colors, because = some times they=E2=80=99re close, but not exactly right. If you=E2=80=99ve been working with anybody for ten years, you well know = how much maintenance they are. Good for you both to have clients like = that. I have one client who calls me when they=E2=80=99re in a bind - like = when they=E2=80=99ve over-promised on a tight deadline. They told me on = our first meeting, =E2=80=9CWe pay editors $50 / hour.=E2=80=9D I = replied, =E2=80=9CThen you should hire one of them.=E2=80=9D I=E2=80=99ve= never missed a deadline in my 50 years in post. That=E2=80=99s part of = my pitch. I finished a video last Thursday to which they were making = changes up to four hours before doors opened at their event. And, a = bonus is they pay on average in 10 days. Robert, I apologize for side-tracking your topic. Jim C. > On Mar 14, 2019, at 11:46 AM, Cary Spenser = wrote: >=20 > The pricing model depends on whether I=E2=80=99m dealing with the = creative, account, or production people at agencies. Always hourly with = the creatives, project basis for account types. And then there are the = people with whom I=E2=80=99ve been working for 10+ years. Those = relationships are golden. >=20 > BrandsoftheWorld has saved my bacon on many occasions. But the logos = they provide are not always up-to-date, need to be checked against = current work. Sometimes logos vary slightly by country. And in the case = of a $300mm privately owned specialty retailer, they don=E2=80=99t have = anything. No PDFs anywhere. Their press page has a couple of PNGs that = are less than 150px wide.=20 >=20 > Thx, >=20 > Cary >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On March 14, 2019 at 12:03:20 PM, Jim Curtis (ae-list@media-motion.tv = ) wrote: >=20 >> This is why I charge by the hour. The more work that clients = off-load to me, the more indecisive, ill-prepared, and lousy at = communication they are, the more money I make. >>=20 >> I usually only work on bids when I know the client and how much = maintenance they are, or I=E2=80=99m desperate for work. >>=20 >> I tell first time clients that since I don=E2=80=99t know about their = maintenance or work habits, my bid is 3 or 4X what I think the job will = actually take. I tell them it=E2=80=99s more in their interest to get = organized and pay me by the hour. >>=20 >> -=20 >>=20 >> I=E2=80=99m sure you know about brandsoftheworld dot com. When I = need a logo, and the client is clueless about vectors, I will mine their = web site for PDFs, as about half the time, a vector logo is embedded in = an annual report, job app, or press release. But, I=E2=80=99ve also = done a fair share of reverse engineering from a low res web banner. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> On Mar 14, 2019, at 9:56 AM, Cary Spenser > wrote: >>>=20 >>> Ain=E2=80=99t that the truth! Billion dollar agency doesn=E2=80=99t = even have time to provide client branding. I wound up taking screen shot = of commercial and tracing the logo in Illustrator, an imprecise activity = and an unrecoverable expense. FUBAR. >>>=20 >>> Cary >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On March 14, 2019 at 9:51:03 AM, Jim Curtis (ae-list@media-motion.tv = ) wrote: >>>=20 >>>> one person shop who often gets projects dumped on me with little = direction. --Apple-Mail=_675D514B-785D-4346-958F-DE91541D074C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Agreed, always check BoTW logos against the company site, as = I presume that will have the most current version.  Also, check = colors, because some times they=E2=80=99re close, but not exactly = right.

If you=E2=80=99= ve been working with anybody for ten years, you well know how much = maintenance they are.  Good for you both to have clients like = that.

I have = one client who calls me when they=E2=80=99re in a bind - like when = they=E2=80=99ve over-promised on a tight deadline.  They told me on = our first meeting, =E2=80=9CWe pay editors $50 / hour.=E2=80=9D  I = replied, =E2=80=9CThen you should hire one of them.=E2=80=9D =  I=E2=80=99ve never missed a deadline in my 50 years in post. =  That=E2=80=99s part of my pitch.  I finished a video last = Thursday to which they were making changes up to four hours before doors = opened at their event.  And, a bonus is they pay on average in 10 = days.

Robert, = I apologize for side-tracking your topic.

Jim C.


On Mar 14, 2019, at 11:46 AM, Cary Spenser <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

The pricing model depends on whether I=E2=80=99m = dealing with the creative, account, or production people at agencies. = Always hourly with the creatives, project basis for account types. And = then there are the people with whom I=E2=80=99ve been working for 10+ = years. Those relationships are golden.

BrandsoftheWorld has saved my bacon = on many occasions. But the logos they provide are not always up-to-date, = need to be checked against current work. Sometimes logos vary slightly = by country. And in the case of a $300mm privately owned specialty = retailer, they don=E2=80=99t have anything. No PDFs anywhere. Their = press page has a couple of PNGs that are less than 150px = wide. 

Thx,

Cary




On March 14, 2019 at 12:03:20 PM, Jim Curtis (ae-list@media-motion.tv) wrote:

This is = why I charge by the hour.  The more work that clients off-load to = me, the more indecisive, ill-prepared, and lousy at communication they = are, the more money I make.

I usually only work on bids when I know the client and how = much maintenance they are, or I=E2=80=99m desperate for work.

I tell first time = clients that since I don=E2=80=99t know about their maintenance or work = habits, my bid is 3 or 4X what I think the job will actually take.  = I tell them it=E2=80=99s more in their interest to get organized and pay = me by the hour.

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I=E2=80=99m sure you know about brandsoftheworld dot com. =  When I need a logo, and the client is clueless about vectors, I = will mine their web site for PDFs, as about half the time, a vector logo = is embedded in an annual report, job app, or press release.  But, = I=E2=80=99ve also done a fair share of reverse engineering from a low = res web banner.



On Mar 14, 2019, at 9:56 AM, = Cary Spenser <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

Ain=E2=80=99= t that the truth! Billion dollar agency doesn=E2=80=99t even have time = to provide client branding. I wound up taking screen shot of commercial = and tracing the logo in Illustrator, an imprecise activity and an = unrecoverable expense. FUBAR.

Cary


On March 14, 2019 at 9:51:03 AM, Jim Curtis (ae-list@media-motion.tv) wrote:

one = person shop who often gets projects dumped on me with little = direction.
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