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Thread-Index: AQHU2pYrgCvQFthMsUawtl73KB7V3KYLgqP+ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 19:27:05 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-incomingtopheadermarker: OriginalChecksum:3E08F62D56392A744191B4266EE8B5D8560A5085C3C073AB26CEE871FEB17503;UpperCasedChecksum:BE54FCE694D5DD429CA8988436DE296CBB47687800D057A75D698919BCF57B39;SizeAsReceived:6717;Count:44 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-tmn: [6wNyIdRyVNTH/meIpdtNYhtnhAt0kOPb] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-incomingheadercount: 44 x-eopattributedmessage: 0 x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:(2390118)(7020095)(20181119110)(201702061078)(5061506573)(5061507331)(1603103135)(2017031320274)(2017031323274)(2017031324274)(2017031322404)(1601125500)(1603101475)(1701031045);SRVR:BY2NAM05HT148; x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: BY2NAM05HT148: x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: UxkXt8lzookuB1O0a1P/oZ7NOtiLmm4si1ClXU/ZlD97n8Mj5vLq7RaZE9QDz3G+ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_SN4PR0501MB39040310E7BDE78583F2229CB64B0SN4PR0501MB3904_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: live.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-RMS-PersistedConsumerOrg: 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 231d5fec-d259-48bd-e25f-08d6a8b30adf X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-rms-persistedconsumerorg: 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 14 Mar 2019 19:27:05.3550 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Internet X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 84df9e7f-e9f6-40af-b435-aaaaaaaaaaaa X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BY2NAM05HT148 --_000_SN4PR0501MB39040310E7BDE78583F2229CB64B0SN4PR0501MB3904_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How do I unsubscribe from this mailing list? This isn=92t even the email I = use for my Adobe subscription. All of a sudden I=92m getting multiple email= s a day from forum posts and sending them to my junk folder doesn't help be= cause they are coming from different source email addresses. Thanks, Chris Sent from Outlook Mail for= Windows 10 phone From: Jim Curtis Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 1:46 PM To: After Effects Mail List Subject: Re: [AE] Demo reel critique? Agreed, always check BoTW logos against the company site, as I presume that= will have the most current version. Also, check colors, because some time= s they=92re close, but not exactly right. If you=92ve been working with anybody for ten years, you well know how much= maintenance they are. Good for you both to have clients like that. I have one client who calls me when they=92re in a bind - like when they=92= ve over-promised on a tight deadline. They told me on our first meeting, = =93We pay editors $50 / hour.=94 I replied, =93Then you should hire one of= them.=94 I=92ve never missed a deadline in my 50 years in post. That=92s= part of my pitch. I finished a video last Thursday to which they were mak= ing changes up to four hours before doors opened at their event. And, a bo= nus is they pay on average in 10 days. Robert, I apologize for side-tracking your topic. Jim C. On Mar 14, 2019, at 11:46 AM, Cary Spenser > wrote: The pricing model depends on whether I=92m dealing with the creative, accou= nt, or production people at agencies. Always hourly with the creatives, pro= ject basis for account types. And then there are the people with whom I=92v= e been working for 10+ years. Those relationships are golden. BrandsoftheWorld has saved my bacon on many occasions. But the logos they p= rovide are not always up-to-date, need to be checked against current work. = Sometimes logos vary slightly by country. And in the case of a $300mm priva= tely owned specialty retailer, they don=92t have anything. No PDFs anywhere= . Their press page has a couple of PNGs that are less than 150px wide. Thx, Cary On March 14, 2019 at 12:03:20 PM, Jim Curtis (ae-list@media-motion.tv) wrote: This is why I charge by the hour. The more work that clients off-load to m= e, the more indecisive, ill-prepared, and lousy at communication they are, = the more money I make. I usually only work on bids when I know the client and how much maintenance= they are, or I=92m desperate for work. I tell first time clients that since I don=92t know about their maintenance= or work habits, my bid is 3 or 4X what I think the job will actually take.= I tell them it=92s more in their interest to get organized and pay me by = the hour. - I=92m sure you know about brandsoftheworld dot com. When I need a logo, an= d the client is clueless about vectors, I will mine their web site for PDFs= , as about half the time, a vector logo is embedded in an annual report, jo= b app, or press release. But, I=92ve also done a fair share of reverse eng= ineering from a low res web banner. On Mar 14, 2019, at 9:56 AM, Cary Spenser > wrote: Ain=92t that the truth! Billion dollar agency doesn=92t even have time to p= rovide client branding. I wound up taking screen shot of commercial and tra= cing the logo in Illustrator, an imprecise activity and an unrecoverable ex= pense. FUBAR. Cary On March 14, 2019 at 9:51:03 AM, Jim Curtis (ae-list@media-motion.tv) wrote: one person shop who often gets projects dumped on me with little direction. --_000_SN4PR0501MB39040310E7BDE78583F2229CB64B0SN4PR0501MB3904_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

How do I unsubscribe from this mailing list? This isn=92t even the email= I use for my Adobe subscription. All of a sudden I=92m getting multiple em= ails a day from forum posts and sending them to my junk folder doesn't help= because they are coming from different source email addresses.

 

Thanks,

 

Chris

 

Sent from Ou= tlook Mail for Windows 10 phone

 

 


From: Jim Curtis
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 1:46 PM
To: After Effects Mail List
Subject: Re: [AE] Demo reel critique?

 

 

Agreed, always check BoTW logos against the company site, as I presume= that will have the most current version.  Also, check colors, because= some times they=92re close, but not exactly right.

If you=92ve been working with anybody for ten years, you we= ll know how much maintenance they are.  Good for you both to have clie= nts like that.

I have one client who calls me when they=92re in a bind - l= ike when they=92ve over-promised on a tight deadline.  They told me on= our first meeting, =93We pay editors $50 / hour.=94  I replied, =93Th= en you should hire one of them.=94  I=92ve never missed a deadline in my 50 years in post.  That=92s part of my pitch.  I = finished a video last Thursday to which they were making changes up to four= hours before doors opened at their event.  And, a bonus is they pay o= n average in 10 days.

Robert, I apologize for side-tracking your topic.

Jim C.


On Mar 14, 2019, at 11:46 AM, Cary Spenser <AE-List@media-motion.tv> w= rote:

The pricing model depends on whether I=92m dealing with the creative, accou= nt, or production people at agencies. Always hourly with the creatives, pro= ject basis for account types. And then there are the people with whom I=92v= e been working for 10+ years. Those relationships are golden.

BrandsoftheWorld has saved my bacon on many occasions. But the logos they p= rovide are not always up-to-date, need to be checked against current work. = Sometimes logos vary slightly by country. And in the case of a $300mm priva= tely owned specialty retailer, they don=92t have anything. No PDFs anywhere. Their press page has a couple of = PNGs that are less than 150px wide. 

Thx,

Cary




On March 14, 2019 at 12:03:20 PM, Jim Curtis (ae-list@media-motion.tv) wrote:

This is why I charge by the hour.  The more work that = clients off-load to me, the more indecisive, ill-prepared, and lousy at com= munication they are, the more money I make.

I usually only work on bids when I know the client and how = much maintenance they are, or I=92m desperate for work.

I tell first time clients that since I don=92t know about t= heir maintenance or work habits, my bid is 3 or 4X what I think the job wil= l actually take.  I tell them it=92s more in their interest to get org= anized and pay me by the hour.

- 

I=92m sure you know about brandsoftheworld dot com.  W= hen I need a logo, and the client is clueless about vectors, I will mine th= eir web site for PDFs, as about half the time, a vector logo is embedded in= an annual report, job app, or press release.  But, I=92ve also done a fair share of reverse engineering from a low res w= eb banner.



On Mar 14, 2019, at 9:56 AM, Cary Spenser <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wr= ote:

Ain=92t that the truth! Billion dollar agency doesn=92t even have time to p= rovide client branding. I wound up taking screen shot of commercial and tra= cing the logo in Illustrator, an imprecise activity and an unrecoverable ex= pense. FUBAR.

Cary


On March 14, 2019 at 9:51:03 AM, Jim Curtis (ae-list@media-motion.tv) wrote:

one person shop who often gets projects dumped on me with little direction.

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