From: "TJ Worrell" Received: from mail-io1-f43.google.com ([209.85.166.43] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 7258704 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Thu, 14 Mar 2019 20:23:13 +0100 Received: by mail-io1-f43.google.com with SMTP id f6so6211282iop.3 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2019 12:34:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-language:thread-index; bh=6sStBXFGB8vipjYfllXcZbFo6HeG7viDF2WrQpJ89Bw=; b=hR4mz58f0NU3t4Fe4/2xoGf3XKo97kO5TLMQZ6y2ToLbysFFLOokIfVVDZ8oWv+OSd IaGV8dVtFrW1gZ+BPycstAkqIVWEPKcGtyOsCn1hvfV/ChFBx19Keqg1CaSqASTz6TCV vgCcnlvnxu3Wo6FdvoRtAQJ7o5Jd00YhOEXt8V9Wy8me86SYOmkmU7ex3SHxfmH5WDsO d3sQ8At1azQEtrEuneffJCJ3pAaym50SB6Z+2qHx7V8/0eHyuQwy0xOPZF9XWL3XOgyL LNFh1y+sC05i9pm3TnrlF6bIsNu2oStCdAl9/5YC7HHA6QqDFoIcrojTzD1FO95lkXuw I4xA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :message-id:mime-version:content-language:thread-index; bh=6sStBXFGB8vipjYfllXcZbFo6HeG7viDF2WrQpJ89Bw=; b=nfE2QCPBWCK0V31eRWqAtjLTUtRTzAtCRqNKHPdENAPQ95uQqnUIm3eswmyHZMLt7U SFMO9EWRKLKGXBvEgT/MafDghDbEVft2e+6GpqSIPMMkGVWgqD1D0naIG1zCrhv/0+G/ QAg51rmK1RttJZ6qwL6JIHOvNB8kPVNmduIyEnyZy88cvFnvZeK8ZXXY76rpttF808Dd u2Wgeajp7PWq0fgAViDmlyd9JQSod8/O3D1YI3cn121dFx2nyBpYxkkI7LRaRll5dy0F u4DauKmj6gHxQ5yZoURWI+SRYQLtbUQ6acgpU+h5tXEC68Ymxn3kLAMfUkXcndTYnBsf 65yg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWUu5QNvdHeBvRPvvTyaRwTWwDr+9Fla0PmCJ3ldf5vV9LCIMWg djSoqy/7ziHyTDnzh1N+mrj/0qbQ X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzkn1T6uIJtNYpFRVricClH5OPx3jQp5Rc8Nc2Frw0aRDEJgLvdbtkHyVnbU8zCN1sHqd8Dhg== X-Received: by 2002:a6b:f90c:: with SMTP id j12mr2554346iog.53.1552592075144; Thu, 14 Mar 2019 12:34:35 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from DellXPS159560 (c-73-65-2-90.hsd1.mn.comcast.net. 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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 14:34:32 -0500 Message-ID: <008201d4da9c$f3776af0$da6640d0$@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0083_01D4DA73.0AA55A90" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: AQK+72Br/ZixgqPbfpGfHUvmb+15XKQ3Wraw This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0083_01D4DA73.0AA55A90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To unsubscribe send any email message to: IMUG-list-off@media-motion.tv From: After Effects Mail List Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 14:27 To: After Effects Mail List Subject: Re: [AE] Demo reel critique? How do I unsubscribe from this mailing list? This isn't even the email I use for my Adobe subscription. All of a sudden I'm getting multiple emails a day from forum posts and sending them to my junk folder doesn't help because they are coming from different source email addresses. Thanks, Chris Sent from Outlook Mail for Windows 10 phone From: Jim Curtis Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 1:46 PM To: After Effects Mail List Subject: Re: [AE] Demo reel critique? Agreed, always check BoTW logos against the company site, as I presume that will have the most current version. Also, check colors, because some times they're close, but not exactly right. If you've been working with anybody for ten years, you well know how much maintenance they are. Good for you both to have clients like that. I have one client who calls me when they're in a bind - like when they've over-promised on a tight deadline. They told me on our first meeting, "We pay editors $50 / hour." I replied, "Then you should hire one of them." I've never missed a deadline in my 50 years in post. That's part of my pitch. I finished a video last Thursday to which they were making changes up to four hours before doors opened at their event. And, a bonus is they pay on average in 10 days. Robert, I apologize for side-tracking your topic. Jim C. On Mar 14, 2019, at 11:46 AM, Cary Spenser > wrote: The pricing model depends on whether I'm dealing with the creative, account, or production people at agencies. Always hourly with the creatives, project basis for account types. And then there are the people with whom I've been working for 10+ years. Those relationships are golden. BrandsoftheWorld has saved my bacon on many occasions. But the logos they provide are not always up-to-date, need to be checked against current work. Sometimes logos vary slightly by country. And in the case of a $300mm privately owned specialty retailer, they don't have anything. No PDFs anywhere. Their press page has a couple of PNGs that are less than 150px wide. Thx, Cary On March 14, 2019 at 12:03:20 PM, Jim Curtis (ae-list@media-motion.tv ) wrote: This is why I charge by the hour. The more work that clients off-load to me, the more indecisive, ill-prepared, and lousy at communication they are, the more money I make. I usually only work on bids when I know the client and how much maintenance they are, or I'm desperate for work. I tell first time clients that since I don't know about their maintenance or work habits, my bid is 3 or 4X what I think the job will actually take. I tell them it's more in their interest to get organized and pay me by the hour. - I'm sure you know about brandsoftheworld dot com. When I need a logo, and the client is clueless about vectors, I will mine their web site for PDFs, as about half the time, a vector logo is embedded in an annual report, job app, or press release. But, I've also done a fair share of reverse engineering from a low res web banner. On Mar 14, 2019, at 9:56 AM, Cary Spenser > wrote: Ain't that the truth! Billion dollar agency doesn't even have time to provide client branding. I wound up taking screen shot of commercial and tracing the logo in Illustrator, an imprecise activity and an unrecoverable expense. FUBAR. Cary On March 14, 2019 at 9:51:03 AM, Jim Curtis (ae-list@media-motion.tv ) wrote: one person shop who often gets projects dumped on me with little direction. ------=_NextPart_000_0083_01D4DA73.0AA55A90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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How do I unsubscribe from = this mailing list? This isn’t even the email I use for my Adobe = subscription. All of a sudden I’m getting multiple emails a day = from forum posts and sending them to my junk folder doesn't help because = they are coming from different source email = addresses.

 

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From: Jim Curtis
Sent: Thursday, March = 14, 2019 1:46 PM
To: After Effects Mail List
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Agreed, always check BoTW logos against the company = site, as I presume that will have the most current version.  Also, = check colors, because some times they’re close, but not exactly = right.

 

If you’ve been working with anybody for ten = years, you well know how much maintenance they are.  Good for you = both to have clients like that.

 

I = have one client who calls me when they’re in a bind - like when = they’ve over-promised on a tight deadline.  They told me on = our first meeting, “We pay editors $50 / hour.”  I = replied, “Then you should hire one of them.” =  I’ve never missed a deadline in my 50 years in post. =  That’s part of my pitch.  I finished a video last = Thursday to which they were making changes up to four hours before doors = opened at their event.  And, a bonus is they pay on average in 10 = days.

 

Robert, I apologize for side-tracking your = topic.

 

Jim C.

 



On Mar 14, 2019, at 11:46 AM, Cary Spenser <AE-List@media-motion.tv> = wrote:

 

The = pricing model depends on whether I’m dealing with the creative, = account, or production people at agencies. Always hourly with the = creatives, project basis for account types. And then there are the = people with whom I’ve been working for 10+ years. Those = relationships are golden.

 =

Brandsofthe= World has saved my bacon on many occasions. But the logos they provide = are not always up-to-date, need to be checked against current work. = Sometimes logos vary slightly by country. And in the case of a $300mm = privately owned specialty retailer, they don’t have anything. No = PDFs anywhere. Their press page has a couple of PNGs that are less than = 150px wide. 

 =

Thx,

 =

Cary

 =

 =

 



=

On March = 14, 2019 at 12:03:20 PM, Jim Curtis (ae-list@media-motion.tv) = wrote:

This is = why I charge by the hour.  The more work that clients off-load to = me, the more indecisive, ill-prepared, and lousy at communication they = are, the more money I make.

 =

I usually = only work on bids when I know the client and how much maintenance they = are, or I’m desperate for work.

 =

I tell = first time clients that since I don’t know about their maintenance = or work habits, my bid is 3 or 4X what I think the job will actually = take.  I tell them it’s more in their interest to get = organized and pay me by the hour.

 =

- 

 =

I’m = sure you know about brandsoftheworld dot com.  When I need a logo, = and the client is clueless about vectors, I will mine their web site for = PDFs, as about half the time, a vector logo is embedded in an annual = report, job app, or press release.  But, I’ve also done a = fair share of reverse engineering from a low res web = banner.

 =

 =



On Mar 14, = 2019, at 9:56 AM, Cary Spenser <AE-List@media-motion.tv> = wrote:

 =

Ain’t= that the truth! Billion dollar agency doesn’t even have time to = provide client branding. I wound up taking screen shot of commercial and = tracing the logo in Illustrator, an imprecise activity and an = unrecoverable expense. FUBAR.

 =

Cary

 =



=

On March = 14, 2019 at 9:51:03 AM, Jim Curtis (ae-list@media-motion.tv) = wrote:

one person shop who often gets projects = dumped on me with little direction.=

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