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I like Adobe but I don=92t need all the irrelevant posts. Sent from Outlook Mail for= Windows 10 phone From: TJ Worrell Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 2:34 PM To: After Effects Mail List Subject: Re: [AE] Demo reel critique? To unsubscribe send any email message to: IMUG-list-off@media-motion.tv From: After Effects Mail List Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 14:27 To: After Effects Mail List Subject: Re: [AE] Demo reel critique? How do I unsubscribe from this mailing list? This isn=92t even the email I = use for my Adobe subscription. All of a sudden I=92m getting multiple email= s a day from forum posts and sending them to my junk folder doesn't help be= cause they are coming from different source email addresses. Thanks, Chris Sent from Outlook Mail for= Windows 10 phone From: Jim Curtis Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 1:46 PM To: After Effects Mail List Subject: Re: [AE] Demo reel critique? Agreed, always check BoTW logos against the company site, as I presume that= will have the most current version. Also, check colors, because some time= s they=92re close, but not exactly right. If you=92ve been working with anybody for ten years, you well know how much= maintenance they are. Good for you both to have clients like that. I have one client who calls me when they=92re in a bind - like when they=92= ve over-promised on a tight deadline. They told me on our first meeting, = =93We pay editors $50 / hour.=94 I replied, =93Then you should hire one of= them.=94 I=92ve never missed a deadline in my 50 years in post. That=92s= part of my pitch. I finished a video last Thursday to which they were mak= ing changes up to four hours before doors opened at their event. And, a bo= nus is they pay on average in 10 days. Robert, I apologize for side-tracking your topic. Jim C. On Mar 14, 2019, at 11:46 AM, Cary Spenser > wrote: The pricing model depends on whether I=92m dealing with the creative, accou= nt, or production people at agencies. Always hourly with the creatives, pro= ject basis for account types. And then there are the people with whom I=92v= e been working for 10+ years. Those relationships are golden. BrandsoftheWorld has saved my bacon on many occasions. But the logos they p= rovide are not always up-to-date, need to be checked against current work. = Sometimes logos vary slightly by country. And in the case of a $300mm priva= tely owned specialty retailer, they don=92t have anything. No PDFs anywhere= . Their press page has a couple of PNGs that are less than 150px wide. Thx, Cary On March 14, 2019 at 12:03:20 PM, Jim Curtis (ae-list@media-motion.tv) wrote: This is why I charge by the hour. The more work that clients off-load to m= e, the more indecisive, ill-prepared, and lousy at communication they are, = the more money I make. I usually only work on bids when I know the client and how much maintenance= they are, or I=92m desperate for work. I tell first time clients that since I don=92t know about their maintenance= or work habits, my bid is 3 or 4X what I think the job will actually take.= I tell them it=92s more in their interest to get organized and pay me by = the hour. - I=92m sure you know about brandsoftheworld dot com. When I need a logo, an= d the client is clueless about vectors, I will mine their web site for PDFs= , as about half the time, a vector logo is embedded in an annual report, jo= b app, or press release. But, I=92ve also done a fair share of reverse eng= ineering from a low res web banner. On Mar 14, 2019, at 9:56 AM, Cary Spenser > wrote: Ain=92t that the truth! Billion dollar agency doesn=92t even have time to p= rovide client branding. I wound up taking screen shot of commercial and tra= cing the logo in Illustrator, an imprecise activity and an unrecoverable ex= pense. FUBAR. Cary On March 14, 2019 at 9:51:03 AM, Jim Curtis (ae-list@media-motion.tv) wrote: one person shop who often gets projects dumped on me with little direction. --_000_SN4PR0501MB3904A9CDAF69BED8CD03B22CB64B0SN4PR0501MB3904_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks! I like Adobe but I don=92t need all the irrelevant posts.

 

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From: TJ Worrell
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 2:34 PM
To: After Effects Mail List
Subject: Re: [AE] Demo reel critique?

 

 

To unsubscribe send any email message to:

= IMUG-list-off@media-motion.tv

 

 

From: After Effects Mail List <AE-List@med= ia-motion.tv>
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 14:27
To: After Effects Mail List <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
Subject: Re: [AE] Demo reel critique?

 

How do I unsubscribe from this mailing list? This isn=92t even the email= I use for my Adobe subscription. All of a sudden I=92m getting multiple em= ails a day from forum posts and sending them to my junk folder doesn't help= because they are coming from different source email addresses.

 

Thanks,

 

Chris

 

Sent from Ou= tlook Mail for Windows 10 phone

 

 


From: Jim Curtis
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 1:46 PM
To: After Effects Mail List
Subject: Re: [AE] Demo reel critique?

 

 

Agreed, always check BoTW logos against the company = site, as I presume that will have the most current version.  Also, che= ck colors, because some times they=92re close, but not exactly right.

 

If you=92ve been working with anybody for ten years,= you well know how much maintenance they are.  Good for you both to ha= ve clients like that.

 

I have one client who calls me when they=92re in a b= ind - like when they=92ve over-promised on a tight deadline.  They tol= d me on our first meeting, =93We pay editors $50 / hour.=94  I replied= , =93Then you should hire one of them.=94  I=92ve never missed a deadline in my 50 years in post.  That=92s part of my pitch.  = I finished a video last Thursday to which they were making changes up to fo= ur hours before doors opened at their event.  And, a bonus is they pay= on average in 10 days.

 

Robert, I apologize for side-tracking your topic.

 

Jim C.

 



On Mar 14, 2019, at 11:46 AM, Cary Spenser <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote= :

 

The pricing model depends on whether I=92m deali= ng with the creative, account, or production people at agencies. Always hou= rly with the creatives, project basis for account types. And then there are the people with whom I=92ve been working for 10&= #43; years. Those relationships are golden.

 

BrandsoftheWorld has saved my bacon on many occa= sions. But the logos they provide are not always up-to-date, need to be che= cked against current work. Sometimes logos vary slightly by country. And in the case of a $300mm privately owned specialty= retailer, they don=92t have anything. No PDFs anywhere. Their press page h= as a couple of PNGs that are less than 150px wide. 

 

Thx,

 

Cary

 

 

 



On March 14, 2019 at 12:03:20 PM, Jim Curtis (ae-list@media-motion.tv) wrote= :

This is why I charge by the hour.  The more= work that clients off-load to me, the more indecisive, ill-prepared, and l= ousy at communication they are, the more money I make.

 

I usually only work on bids when I know the clie= nt and how much maintenance they are, or I=92m desperate for work.

 

I tell first time clients that since I don=92t k= now about their maintenance or work habits, my bid is 3 or 4X what I think = the job will actually take.  I tell them it=92s more in their interest to get organized and pay me by the hour.

 

- 

 

I=92m sure you know about brandsoftheworld dot c= om.  When I need a logo, and the client is clueless about vectors, I w= ill mine their web site for PDFs, as about half the time, a vector logo is embedded in an annual report, job app, or press release.&= nbsp; But, I=92ve also done a fair share of reverse engineering from a low = res web banner.

 

 



On Mar 14, 2019, at 9:56 AM, Cary Spenser <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wr= ote:

 

Ain=92t that the truth! Billion dollar agency do= esn=92t even have time to provide client branding. I wound up taking screen= shot of commercial and tracing the logo in Illustrator, an imprecise activity and an unrecoverable expense. FUBAR.

 

Cary

 



On March 14, 2019 at 9:51:03 AM, Jim Curtis (ae-list@media-motion.tv) wrote:=

one person shop who often gets= projects dumped on me with little direction.

 

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