From: "Jim Curtis" Received: from sonic313-23.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com ([98.137.65.86] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 7430674 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 03 Sep 2019 01:33:12 +0200 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=flash.net; s=s2048; t=1567467336; bh=JzSPLKKSBWHYHvcxyMTqs96B7mo67IITRTtMEb6RgNY=; h=From:Subject:Date:References:To:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=hix6GslRA98r9aNaPAhw2aANsb3iSMtfezEmC6WBwCDN/HmNYCgHnCp4jVsVi5S85J5tkfk7zOD7b5943SZ/cwNkZZe17ynkNrhkzurin2/BVeKYyWhV/qQELffg69++VS9+7OKc0HGcZ8qAyjbuMW4WNhHhhnSbUkFwVCpp+9OfT/oUPWqqTLFXRG/SukMOual05N3unA1vnOAWe1VS3ccbEZbsJo1v/msFmAJ/VNlRIud0u6JwZbE5Zeg7RM8+YHUwrLY60zqwQvVigKfpNpasmSzUOfN1l6DTcXwRJMUMsCl2/ZdEwBQDhhA8J3tt43layw0XA5kLn/WtFNTovA== X-YMail-OSG: 5leU2jsVM1nhgupf7BWfQi63htFT9LDW40Gwd5zPMVFQvj9j_6WSwSRCgLneO_1 B10iQ5KxPSrdk5fgJI5w6dJAOspZVx0pHTsjK3ARiERdKvzHMpogV9b7zRhmiOnvEatz3yPTQaSj h7mZ0MksKzNFmue_UlH5LhUK.r4TbzagH_Ew.vCddDwAR297Qi4eKdf0.VtVIXZYgAXmil73IQKQ G7pVT5Nsm5jnZ7fY6gWM5Vmu0L.nTtKaOuNWBiT8yS8tTSBGCb0JV3gFxLsI46oPYBuZwWJyaOcu A2fZV0y5FRdxKnBT60XVTFvNNW2MQxT5Ghrf.YySPHMQ5LGx4Aom95DYcNGJBt7xfCwJA.Xq9WzG VYZFwRL5oEszeXlfjF7sBzWQncHK67WjXvtUJ1vBdmxTpuC3Z40GMF7K7ZRwu8YhgFyZboJngh1S R9Wl8i5c6.VPw2pINpa7tKx_pOr7tUKfZiJb6dIa.L2XzI97guftk.wEk6eda9ugnoP1T2UODXJ. sCptF7NIY3_Mm6f1UOe1_QrW7D5rw.gd7O0HAOtSgmE7MkAV1OMpkOKwpHtYQr3WePiEQxcIzZAr qSJL4OqUfJPTUERxo.MXAvpmaXQ7sRlwEAeEaPLpFPZwb_7tzMEYoTrcFxvjVbi3RMobT.zkgMMx 55wJkxy2CyW3W.w_HyYLpau99pP7YtzIz8dSfcPcGogrfvRiwGLHLlB1iLfXVUbOSr.yS1pm88ZV y4g1jqysnIwLANMLoubylLYsByjaOUxtCdV6uzzmYEsMjwbXQpCNGVWAr44ZwMNvLP2ETiSs6bX8 P4CYyngZlJ6wnMU7e8rZdmnboSflRXizEw7GbVIQVdXb9sy7ozse4jMK2rpwUWvPZd_stR8idXXS Yiig0qlbgwQ.b7CtHfpUL2alWx2LCNky2_NEZ.50V9uhLjleJEnZCB9.98yEdmHRy_NmNJRi_E4H k8zsVlOvHvYOGoBPF7QQ46.EWIFe1UMEsIzTmNz7Yps5F9.ERCi5vTufdlUbpqEpnrQG3oCPJ4Po FCN3fzX8GNMpZe_XzxREwLNB.3OHuM.kx_B8RzedwCsaP7LlMOmMqR0jTTBSh0PmdRoveRttAjBM VQYyqRTuOsi_0wB2M2h7mU7JnqBG6OECSoK8fN._jDpPFAEKK_Bqsl_2zPauHe10jbEbN4d7pBtM ugGE2Eo2FGjrduwyr2GLVo28D2kWbTZc66Vzdr7WtUGvnFzjd7Ch863fmD9hYjhgyHL2m48RHKV3 uifWPhnBpJA6avk8m56rUbn0aGTrV9MBvMyG_B1cxTq6_ Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic313.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Mon, 2 Sep 2019 23:35:36 +0000 Received: by smtp419.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID f5e85b04db8938fe526c89750a4d1622; Mon, 02 Sep 2019 23:35:32 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_162C90E1-8244-4F26-9B3C-D2BDD23284B1" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Subject: Re: [AE] Content aware Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2019 18:35:31 -0500 References: To: After Effects Mail List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) --Apple-Mail=_162C90E1-8244-4F26-9B3C-D2BDD23284B1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I guess I should qualify by saying that it=E2=80=99s expensive if you = don=E2=80=99t use it very much. I initially licensed Mocha Pro for one = specific client, who has me removing logos, license plates, names on = nameplates, etc. on what=E2=80=99s turned into about one video per = month, and two or three shots per video. It=E2=80=99s the kind of thing = I could do with native features or by brute force (manual keyframing).=20= I charge by the hour, so I always have to consider whether it=E2=80=99s = worth paying a lot of (or any) money to license a technology that causes = me to bill fewer hours. That makes no sense. But, there=E2=80=99s = peace of mind not tearing my hair out over repetitive uncreative and = laborious tasks. So, there=E2=80=99s a benefit to my mental health. Since I license a lot of plug-ins, the costs add up. Mocha Pro does a = lot of things, and I don=E2=80=99t think I=E2=80=99ll ever need to use = everything it does. =20 So, I guess I=E2=80=99ll add =E2=80=9CYour mileage may vary.=E2=80=9D = If I was using it daily, I=E2=80=99d likely not think it was expensive. BTW, Ross, I love that you guys keep putting out tutorials on how to = best use Mocha. They=E2=80=99re very helpful. > On Sep 2, 2019, at 6:10 PM, Ross Shain = wrote: >=20 > For Content Aware to work on blemish removal type shot, you need to = feed it a clean plate (clean painted frame). Depending on the shot, = clone offset techniques might be much faster and more appropriate.=20 >=20 > Mocha Pro=E2=80=99s remove module is also used for a lot of this type = of work and the subscription price for the Adobe plugin is $295 for 1 = year. For a professional tool is that expensive?=20 >=20 > On Sep 2, 2019, at 6:46 PM, Jim Curtis > wrote: >=20 >> I=E2=80=99m not sure this is the kind of thing it was designed for, = which IINM is to remove foreground objects from moving shots. I suppose = it might work if the faces were moving. Then, it has pixels to look at = outside of the selection area. >>=20 >> Perhaps the better tool for removing blemishes is to track them with = the point tracker or Ae Mocha, and use the Offset plug-in with a mask to = =E2=80=9Cclone=E2=80=9D an adjacent non-blemished section of skin. >>=20 >> I haven=E2=80=99t used this feature much. I tested it on a couple = shots, and it didn=E2=80=99t work well for me. About the same time it = came out, I licensed the Mocha Pro plug-in, and its remove module has = more controls, and worked better for what I needed to do. Downside: = It=E2=80=99s expensive. >>=20 >> Hopefully, somebody who knows more about this than I do isn=E2=80=99t = taking a vacation day, and can help out. >>=20 >>=20 >>> On Sep 2, 2019, at 4:37 PM, Lou Wirth > wrote: >>>=20 >>> Are there any tricks or tips to using Content Aware in AE? I have = a comp which is just faces cut together in CU. Several have blemishes = to take out. Im trying to use Content Aware on a clip. Clip is about = 14 seconds long. UHD. 3840x2160. I have to masks. Its taking forever. = After 30 minutes I am only 10% analyzed. Crash after that so far. I = dont have any other effects on the layer as I took off stabilization. = In the tutorials it seems to work fairly fast moving through a 10 second = clip in real time almost. >>>=20 >>> What am I doing wrong here or are there some tips. I took the layer = out of the comp by precomping it and am just trying to work with the = layer by itself in its own comp. But still=E2=80=A6.. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> WTF? >>>=20 >>> Lou >>> Lou Wirth Productions >>> 3210 Kerner Boulevard >>> Suite 302 >>> San Rafael, CA 94901 >>> www.louwirth.com >>> 415-706-8992p >>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 --Apple-Mail=_162C90E1-8244-4F26-9B3C-D2BDD23284B1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 I = guess I should qualify by saying that it=E2=80=99s expensive if you = don=E2=80=99t use it very much.  I initially licensed Mocha Pro for = one specific client, who has me removing logos, license plates, names on = nameplates, etc. on what=E2=80=99s turned into about one video per = month, and two or three shots per video.  It=E2=80=99s the kind of = thing I could do with native features or by brute force (manual = keyframing). 

I = charge by the hour, so I always have to consider whether it=E2=80=99s = worth paying a lot of (or any) money to license a technology that causes = me to bill fewer hours.  That makes no sense.  But, there=E2=80=99= s peace of mind not tearing my hair out over repetitive uncreative and = laborious tasks.   So, there=E2=80=99s a benefit to my mental = health.

Since I license a lot of plug-ins, the costs add up. =  Mocha Pro does a lot of things, and I don=E2=80=99t think I=E2=80=99= ll ever need to use everything it does.  

So, I guess I=E2=80=99ll add =E2=80=9CYour = mileage may vary.=E2=80=9D  If I was using it daily, I=E2=80=99d = likely not think it was expensive.

BTW, Ross, I love that you guys keep putting = out tutorials on how to best use Mocha.  They=E2=80=99re very = helpful.



On Sep 2, 2019, at 6:10 PM, Ross Shain <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

For Content Aware to work on = blemish removal type shot, you need to feed it a clean plate (clean = painted frame). Depending on the shot, clone offset techniques might be = much faster and more appropriate. 

Mocha Pro=E2=80=99s remove module is = also used for a lot of this type of work and the subscription price for = the Adobe plugin is $295 for 1 year. For a professional tool is that = expensive? 

On Sep 2, 2019, at 6:46 PM, Jim Curtis <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

I=E2=80=99m not sure this is = the kind of thing it was designed for, which IINM is to remove = foreground objects from moving shots.  I suppose it might work if = the faces were moving.  Then, it has pixels to look at outside of = the selection area.

Perhaps the better tool for removing blemishes is to track = them with the point tracker or Ae Mocha, and use the Offset plug-in with = a mask to =E2=80=9Cclone=E2=80=9D an adjacent non-blemished section of = skin.

I haven=E2=80=99t used this feature much.  I tested it = on a couple shots, and it didn=E2=80=99t work well for me.  About = the same time it came out, I licensed the Mocha Pro plug-in, and its = remove module has more controls, and worked better for what I needed to = do.  Downside:  It=E2=80=99s expensive.
Hopefully, somebody who knows more = about this than I do isn=E2=80=99t taking a vacation day, and can help = out.


On Sep = 2, 2019, at 4:37 PM, Lou Wirth <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

Are there any tricks = or tips to using Content Aware in AE?   I have a comp which is just = faces cut together in CU.  Several have blemishes to take out. =  Im trying to use Content Aware on a clip.  Clip is about 14 = seconds long.  UHD. 3840x2160.  I have to masks.  Its = taking forever.  After 30 minutes I am only 10% analyzed. =  Crash after that so far.  I dont have any other effects on = the layer as I took off stabilization.  In the tutorials it seems = to work fairly fast moving through a 10 second clip in real time =  almost.

What = am I doing wrong here or are there some tips.  I took the layer out = of the comp by precomping it and am just trying to work with the layer = by itself in its own comp.  But still=E2=80=A6..


WTF?

Lou
Lou Wirth = Productions
3210 Kerner Boulevard
Suite = 302
San Rafael, CA 94901
www.louwirth.com
415-706-8992p



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