From: "Victoria Nece" Received: from mail-lf1-f49.google.com ([209.85.167.49] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 7430748 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 03 Sep 2019 17:41:42 +0200 Received: by mail-lf1-f49.google.com with SMTP id z21so13298710lfe.1 for ; Tue, 03 Sep 2019 08:44:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=0tREcryXXYeFXvZ+okFHcdT8Ym/n91YaANlfJ8kbFl4=; b=AHkVa9Z8dLrhVnR/LLQ16fTa4MSE1XvJcXLnZoKao+YVq0nxunfLwft5eQbuwNGJs1 1QGdS6Pei8IEYfWwGWBK+J0MuWblGoqEZEBobFyxC/cIpra5CiZ0ytNUjoBnRJr5Y2Fx fUORzkRuHMYuPC9fLOJ9AbcZqLeAFCTekXk4y5waKeQOU5zzuRHx6wUkwdGckPKQm4ef U3kmhQFCSSRkLZSwioB6oEXLEbTeV02r5Y7n4Ck88+RhUMG9rZgI8ep1BH9HsTqqVfeP dqdXxJl0ocCzH22qSOghXL5SWBLAFQHqNOouzXKuLW9atExomtVYRWYeID8Ygz9WQtkH ZRxA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=0tREcryXXYeFXvZ+okFHcdT8Ym/n91YaANlfJ8kbFl4=; b=RgLw1PxX7jVAs2LxM0HtHZF3b1dlA3nmUgWLA39NciFIbLPqxeXhItfPecSh2R879R CxEikwDiKvr7J2bz5//nFVaVpYBAnvcBjViGxHrtBbbLwSZlK9MVfnRK4u4jtphKbl7s AwAMV9mTvfX8hra3u+j9yJWScnJuygFEq6/t/uWBpIEnGlXxBXKcHuk9eEXGyze/h/Pi Tp/A1JKmQOgyZUftG1yCgLe0F9wsoepZeAVzwyVhz2PCaYkv55fyggDNzLZAOi28QShs QHAHOGzplkgQFKACkOOVaTAAu4VVFo4BEUymQ4LQu3qbDQOR4x8tA3ApqtRO/L5PIQ6F /bZQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVrIswKJJCqoyeoUlbfTvf089D9KZzrK6WICf7LSGjZyqeKuOfK skWR89Y6jCtXMqysu4c3NQgLbBCPbcnU8fE4elmZPf3S X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqw+2Pc+qS4n6NDZnHwzlfje0jsGQHW/RyW1TiXoruzQdwh9ij0yVVA4tWh9OfXNPWTKrnfZPTn4XsetKS90Yyc= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6512:25b:: with SMTP id b27mr9240424lfo.60.1567525449425; Tue, 03 Sep 2019 08:44:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2019 08:43:58 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] Content aware To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000096ec2b0591a7f5c5" --00000000000096ec2b0591a7f5c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A few ways to optimize CAF for blemish removal: 1) Try "Edge Blend" mode. It's much, much faster than the others and may do the job if the blemishes are small. 2) Processing speed is most directly affected by how many pixels you're filling. The smaller the hole, the faster it runs. Try working in sections, so it doesn't have to analyze the entire video at once -- it's not as if you'll be able to "see behind" the blemishes anyway. 3) "Surface" mode will likely provide the best quality results. If you need to refine the results, feed it a reference frame where you've painted a clean plate. On Mon, Sep 2, 2019 at 4:36 PM Jim Curtis wrote: > I guess I should qualify by saying that it=E2=80=99s expensive if you don= =E2=80=99t use it > very much. I initially licensed Mocha Pro for one specific client, who h= as > me removing logos, license plates, names on nameplates, etc. on what=E2= =80=99s > turned into about one video per month, and two or three shots per video. > It=E2=80=99s the kind of thing I could do with native features or by brut= e force > (manual keyframing). > > I charge by the hour, so I always have to consider whether it=E2=80=99s w= orth > paying a lot of (or any) money to license a technology that causes me to > bill fewer hours. That makes no sense. But, there=E2=80=99s peace of mi= nd not > tearing my hair out over repetitive uncreative and laborious tasks. So, > there=E2=80=99s a benefit to my mental health. > > Since I license a lot of plug-ins, the costs add up. Mocha Pro does a lo= t > of things, and I don=E2=80=99t think I=E2=80=99ll ever need to use everyt= hing it does. > > So, I guess I=E2=80=99ll add =E2=80=9CYour mileage may vary.=E2=80=9D If= I was using it daily, > I=E2=80=99d likely not think it was expensive. > > BTW, Ross, I love that you guys keep putting out tutorials on how to best > use Mocha. They=E2=80=99re very helpful. > > > > On Sep 2, 2019, at 6:10 PM, Ross Shain wrote: > > For Content Aware to work on blemish removal type shot, you need to feed > it a clean plate (clean painted frame). Depending on the shot, clone offs= et > techniques might be much faster and more appropriate. > > Mocha Pro=E2=80=99s remove module is also used for a lot of this type of = work and > the subscription price for the Adobe plugin is $295 for 1 year. For a > professional tool is that expensive? > > On Sep 2, 2019, at 6:46 PM, Jim Curtis wrote: > > I=E2=80=99m not sure this is the kind of thing it was designed for, which= IINM is > to remove foreground objects from moving shots. I suppose it might work = if > the faces were moving. Then, it has pixels to look at outside of the > selection area. > > Perhaps the better tool for removing blemishes is to track them with the > point tracker or Ae Mocha, and use the Offset plug-in with a mask to > =E2=80=9Cclone=E2=80=9D an adjacent non-blemished section of skin. > > I haven=E2=80=99t used this feature much. I tested it on a couple shots,= and it > didn=E2=80=99t work well for me. About the same time it came out, I lice= nsed the > Mocha Pro plug-in, and its remove module has more controls, and worked > better for what I needed to do. Downside: It=E2=80=99s expensive. > > Hopefully, somebody who knows more about this than I do isn=E2=80=99t tak= ing a > vacation day, and can help out. > > > On Sep 2, 2019, at 4:37 PM, Lou Wirth wrote: > > Are there any tricks or tips to using Content Aware in AE? I have a com= p > which is just faces cut together in CU. Several have blemishes to take > out. Im trying to use Content Aware on a clip. Clip is about 14 seconds > long. UHD. 3840x2160. I have to masks. Its taking forever. After 30 > minutes I am only 10% analyzed. Crash after that so far. I dont have an= y > other effects on the layer as I took off stabilization. In the tutorials > it seems to work fairly fast moving through a 10 second clip in real time > almost. > > What am I doing wrong here or are there some tips. I took the layer out > of the comp by precomping it and am just trying to work with the layer by > itself in its own comp. But still=E2=80=A6.. > > > WTF? > > Lou > Lou Wirth Productions > 3210 Kerner Boulevard > Suite 302 > San Rafael, CA 94901 > *www.louwirth.com * > 415-706-8992p > > > > > --00000000000096ec2b0591a7f5c5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
A few ways to optimize CAF for blemish removal:
1) Try = "Edge Blend" mode. It's much, much faster than the others and= may do the job if the blemishes are small.
2) Processing speed is most= directly affected by how many pixels you're filling. The smaller the h= ole, the faster it runs. Try working in sections, so it doesn't have to= analyze the entire video at once -- it's not as if you'll be able = to "see behind" the blemishes anyway.
3) "Surface&= quot; mode will likely provide the best quality results.=C2=A0If you need t= o refine the results, feed it a reference frame where you've painted a = clean plate.

On Mon, Sep 2, 2019 at 4:36 PM Jim Curtis <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
<= /div>
I guess I should qualify by saying that it=E2=80=99s = expensive if you don=E2=80=99t use it very much.=C2=A0 I initially licensed= Mocha Pro for one specific client, who has me removing logos, license plat= es, names on nameplates, etc. on what=E2=80=99s turned into about one video= per month, and two or three shots per video.=C2=A0 It=E2=80=99s the kind o= f thing I could do with native features or by brute force (manual keyframin= g).=C2=A0

I charge by the hour, so I always have to cons= ider whether it=E2=80=99s worth paying a lot of (or any) money to license a= technology that causes me to bill fewer hours.=C2=A0 That makes no sense.= =C2=A0 But, there=E2=80=99s peace of mind not tearing my hair out over repe= titive uncreative and laborious tasks. =C2=A0 So, there=E2=80=99s a benefit= to my mental health.

Since I license a lot of plug= -ins, the costs add up.=C2=A0 Mocha Pro does a lot of things, and I don=E2= =80=99t think I=E2=80=99ll ever need to use everything it does. =C2=A0

So, I guess I=E2=80=99ll add =E2=80=9CYour mileage may vary.= =E2=80=9D =C2=A0If I was using it daily, I=E2=80=99d likely not think it wa= s expensive.

BTW, Ross, I love that you guys keep puttin= g out tutorials on how to best use Mocha.=C2=A0 They=E2=80=99re very helpfu= l.



On = Sep 2, 2019, at 6:10 PM, Ross Shain <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

For Content Aware to work on blemish removal type shot, you need= to feed it a clean plate (clean painted frame). Depending on the shot, clo= ne offset techniques might be much faster and more appropriate.=C2=A0
<= br>
Mocha Pro=E2=80=99s remove module is also used for a lot of t= his type of work and the subscription price for the Adobe plugin is $295 fo= r 1 year. For a professional tool is that expensive?=C2=A0

On Sep 2, 2019, at 6:46 PM, Jim Curtis <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:=

I=E2=80=99m n= ot sure this is the kind of thing it was designed for, which IINM is to rem= ove foreground objects from moving shots.=C2=A0 I suppose it might work if = the faces were moving.=C2=A0 Then, it has pixels to look at outside of the = selection area.

Perhaps the better tool for removi= ng blemishes is to track them with the point tracker or Ae Mocha, and use t= he Offset plug-in with a mask to =E2=80=9Cclone=E2=80=9D an adjacent non-bl= emished section of skin.

I haven=E2=80=99t us= ed this feature much.=C2=A0 I tested it on a couple shots, and it didn=E2= =80=99t work well for me.=C2=A0 About the same time it came out, I licensed= the Mocha Pro plug-in, and its remove module has more controls, and worked= better for what I needed to do.=C2=A0 Downside: =C2=A0It=E2=80=99s expensi= ve.

Hopefully, somebody who knows more about this = than I do isn=E2=80=99t taking a vacation day, and can help out.
=

On Sep 2, 2019, at 4:37 P= M, Lou Wirth <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

Are there any tricks or tips to using Content Aware in AE? =C2= =A0 I have a comp which is just faces cut together in CU.=C2=A0 Several hav= e blemishes to take out.=C2=A0 Im trying to use Content Aware on a clip.=C2= =A0 Clip is about 14 seconds long.=C2=A0 UHD. 3840x2160.=C2=A0 I have to ma= sks.=C2=A0 Its taking forever.=C2=A0 After 30 minutes I am only 10% analyze= d.=C2=A0 Crash after that so far.=C2=A0 I dont have any other effects on th= e layer as I took off stabilization.=C2=A0 In the tutorials it seems to wor= k fairly fast moving through a 10 second clip in real time =C2=A0almost.
What am I doing wrong here or are there some tips.=C2=A0 I= took the layer out of the comp by precomping it and am just trying to work= with the layer by itself in its own comp.=C2=A0 But still=E2=80=A6..
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WTF?

Lou
Lou Wirth Pr= oductions
3210 Kerner Boulevard
Suite 302
San Rafael, CA 94901
= www.louwirth.com
415-706-8992p




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