From: "Nathan Shipley" Received: from mail-io1-f51.google.com ([209.85.166.51] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 7461660 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 00:28:43 +0100 Received: by mail-io1-f51.google.com with SMTP id q1so20533737ion.1 for ; Mon, 04 Nov 2019 15:28:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=WDTFHTzTCy+XkOJEA5BRpMw9suYHz0i6VBeFI4aZoIo=; b=OGz2xTlcSQ4eXiA+yxoc+8G2hLpYMoPG8zVBCC1C2ifNZOfuQ+4q2Lym+zIHzoixUB +u3GgmBgdqnookARZUdajdxg6PvchMR/QtNPi5dOP9VbqDKN9NlTlf7SULlMsG8nQrCP +5NkFKpMdzag35l50KnmWtS6CQWrB9tuAp2HqdH1sXcfoGm3qDer/UBIeWqfAUPbGiNV Gvwdyg0VmxjtAGSI2blwl+pHzKNOG349neuA6UyeXd90wA/t78qcIGQiSQigHcco8/tm /0sKK5EL66YxiQN/oUovdkFA25a6N0qT/pP2MxB0y/VOshwY+Piqq2QtQZRfBkcKsZka 1jhQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=WDTFHTzTCy+XkOJEA5BRpMw9suYHz0i6VBeFI4aZoIo=; b=eTEpWAo16ad8M/skN2AVSRTJClJN8a/4TazFwP4mdc0iUrq91ZJeUIdOG9rLSsFzsa saEXAGSpSA/3P2xOma5s7F5jDitZ6M7Du+eTbiYJGLFQKJKi0ORuQlvEaVOP6sWxCESG gTh0GFSXupmTrRrDiht6jTeiPdHT+YoUAmBkFiLUZsrbIh4dwt3GZ0KU5jsLb5X9ZS9f uRfJzAQ8utk4MwjxEPd97crz0klO4fNM+FW6p6rAIfVQ2DeSx4Js4kQuvmrfbWl4TTer xy8yrpQdtOrZ394k7bT4sqfkdy7u3gCB3cIjitP6jNw9CmaSj01n7e/yfK0bQTmorxkt X5og== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUZtq3AVpqzTGbihjx9XIX437ahOVfX2QHkCwLmGeIHj989wuXt BH170qIubRZCknQh2C6BLElb8HzuB7bBluaFvU3LKc1/D0I= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwMmtB+VYkp8jmG8JjnyuZC/JTQ6HwAaezBCBhYtFjMMeOQ+vBBpCTxG8P6fJYoWMCw8EnTqNYxDuCBaTm08IY= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6602:2352:: with SMTP id r18mr14268712iot.210.1572910121509; Mon, 04 Nov 2019 15:28:41 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 15:28:29 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] working in stereoscopic 360 To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000000e683505968dad67" --0000000000000e683505968dad67 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah. I've only done a little bit of this (and have never actually done stereo other than a little test) but I'm with Brian - you want to be working in Nuke, not AE. The CaraVR plugin is built specifically to handle stereo 360 workflows: https://www.foundry.com/products/cara-vr I did use Mettle in AE on a job once and agree with David - it's slow and clunky. - Nathan On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 3:22 PM David Torno wrote: > I agree with Chris. AE + 360 + Stereoscopic =3D duck and cover. > > 360, Stereoscopic I treated just like Maya. I opened it, looked around an= d > said f... this, I=E2=80=99m out. Never to look back. :) > > The 360 part alone is a nightmare to wrangle in AE. Doubling the nightmar= e > with Stereoscopic is inviting the universe over to knock the crap out you= . > Lol. > > In all seriousness though, AE is not going to hang in there very well > stability wise is you are planning on tracking, comping, and doing everyd= ay > VFX. Render times alone on standard 360 footage is insane, and that=E2=80= =99s > before you do any work on it. > > If your only option is AE then as far as I know Mettle is going to be you= r > option for handling 360 conversions so you can even do VFX work. For > Stereoscopic you=E2=80=99ll likely have to manually manage the Left and R= ight top > level comps. The syncing alone between them will be it=E2=80=99s own issu= e. You may > get interpolation issues if you do any retiming of any kind as that stuff > doesn=E2=80=99t like to carry through all precomps up to the top comp cle= anly > sometimes. > > Both Stereoscopic and 360 still seem to be a wild west adventure as nobod= y > really has locked down a solid AE pipeline in my opinion. You might have = to > pave the way a bit. > > > David Torno > -------------------- > https://vimeo.com/davidtorno (experiments & breakdowns) > https://gumroad.com/davidtorno (products for sale) > http://provideocoalition.com/author/dtorno (tutorials) > > "The most useless day is that in which we do not laugh" > -Charles Field > > On Nov 4, 2019, at 2:18 PM, Chris Zwar wrote: > > I was working on my first 360 video last year - mono - and it wasn=E2=80= =99t > exactly fun. I was thinking about how it would work in stereo, and > although I might be wrong it looked like you=E2=80=99d be juggling 12 pre= comps in > After Effects. If that=E2=80=99s right then really, my first reaction is= just =E2=80=9Crun > away!" > > On 5 Nov 2019, at 2:16 am, mike cardeiro wrote: > > I have been playing with 360 stereo video for work. I am trying to get a > workflow going for compositing | tracking | stabilizing in AE > > > Almost everything I come across in my searches is for monoscopic 360. > Does anybody know of any resources to learn how to work with stereoscopic > 360 footage in AE? > > > --0000000000000e683505968dad67 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yeah.=C2=A0 I've only done a little bit of this (and h= ave never actually done stereo other than a little test) but I'm with B= rian - you want to be working in Nuke, not AE.=C2=A0 The CaraVR plugin is b= uilt specifically to handle stereo 360 workflows:


I did use Mettle in AE on a j= ob once and agree with David - it's slow and clunky.
=C2=A0- = Nathan

On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 3:22 PM David Torno <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
=
I agree= with Chris. AE + 360 + Stereoscopic =3D duck and cover.

360, Stereoscopic I treated just like Maya. I opened it, looked around and= said f... this, I=E2=80=99m out. Never to look back. :)

=
The 360 part alone is a nightmare to wrangle in AE. Doubling the night= mare with Stereoscopic is inviting the universe over to knock the crap out = you. Lol.

In all seriousness though, AE is not goi= ng to hang in there very well stability wise is you are planning on trackin= g, comping, and doing everyday VFX. Render times alone on standard 360 foot= age is insane, and that=E2=80=99s before you do any work on it.
<= br>
If your only option is AE then as far as I know Mettle is goi= ng to be your option for handling 360 conversions so you can even do VFX wo= rk. For Stereoscopic you=E2=80=99ll likely have to manually manage the Left= and Right top level comps. The syncing alone between them will be it=E2=80= =99s own issue. You may get interpolation issues if you do any retiming of = any kind as that stuff doesn=E2=80=99t like to carry through all precomps u= p to the top comp cleanly sometimes.

Both Stereoscopic and 360 still= seem to be a wild west adventure as nobody really has locked down a solid = AE pipeline in my opinion. You might have to pave the way a bit.
=

David Torno
--------------------
https://vimeo.com/davidtorno (experiments & breakdow= ns)
<= a href=3D"https://gumroad.com/davidtorno" target=3D"_blank">https://gumroad= .com/davidtorno (products for sale)

"The most useless day is that in which we do not laugh&quo= t;
-C= harles Field

On Nov 4, 2019, at 2:18= PM, Chris Zwar <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

I was working on my first 360 video last year - = mono - and it wasn=E2=80=99t exactly fun.=C2=A0 I was thinking about how it= would work in stereo, and although I might be wrong it looked like you=E2= =80=99d be juggling 12 precomps in After Effects.=C2=A0 If that=E2=80=99s r= ight then really, my first reaction is just =E2=80=9Crun away!"

On 5 Nov 2019, at 2:16 am, mike cardei= ro <AE-List= @media-motion.tv> wrote:

I have been playing with 36= 0 stereo video for work.=C2=A0 I am trying to get a workflow going for comp= ositing | tracking | stabilizing in AE

=C2= =A0

Almost everything I come across in my s= earches is for monoscopic 360.=C2=A0 Does anybody know of any resources to = learn how to work with stereoscopic 360 footage in AE?


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