From: "Nathan Shipley" Received: from mail-io1-f54.google.com ([209.85.166.54] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 7461664 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 00:39:12 +0100 Received: by mail-io1-f54.google.com with SMTP id w12so20514696iol.11 for ; Mon, 04 Nov 2019 15:39:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=occemkx8zDP0zU9K+7AVuP8/gb53RpZkr7Tr5kqPD28=; b=ls9H/raBMZktUvPyENt4dJNXs2nKy3dmZCMcroVJdhqZfnbSDlboEM8bAYwzD02Jp7 UKrI3fLKaTA+oPjlyC2XajY/PythYeU4YYVDtx6wICWhgKZ7lfLqlAg7ZqmkHvD9WX7z W/5fr/OcpGSViWdlCJNCcqpGGQyg2613XFy9vtC4ePX7lKhve/YCJSTpM6hflKfyvLGv JFP5O1yKTeaZBPR5N8SBG8Naf+0h/9Rc0ABbHNKvIb8cnLsAGHOsxj7mIFV62EPgW045 kX4UXlvcQUpq3dteSE0TGMZt71LTCZme4j4rSDykX2MiUQ+lhRSWdGLR6wgT+IXXCKH8 /7JQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=occemkx8zDP0zU9K+7AVuP8/gb53RpZkr7Tr5kqPD28=; b=oTsRzhp+NbP3T40bBPb7euxVq7n85Z6NgcHVBsbQ8ynCqYKN3Dc3h/PnxwwXNEfxMx yhpgOHsyz7JvTSEYKXIhsFHIhnjVoqe5ph2xL9U4OvXh/USJWnIKSQI5nPaoCrPAjvja 1N88fd342dyAF0WX/J0Nsc28c6GunJxBuu2K5UJnm8yDCd/0t7KNoemXtgDk8tGdz6Jw 3hkQdUnLaVBISnHppqpABAKTIaSj0A5P3R5ONdMlF0Yn8DICK5g3GOz6FmbTgMmFe7ZR oM8R6hzisz32NlusgBSRRpG0HWkaRE7XW+1A07GU+AONRvRrrehAkM+svxv/tdlSJRiK rEzQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWvy9LFvd0Ej5609inTBgEtON5auf7IQqlZ2wruKAOHF5s8mrxU sEk6yVCUKgd/OM9nztoUeIBRuDcDgTO/ej3VIPQK1vPreNo= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwV8LqADkCHTI63RPo4xkdl++6NAF+G6Uvss3YaOiNatoHXN7vKXx7zglBv4Rbu5/rPVhZhr6rg/l9alcSBK2Y= X-Received: by 2002:a6b:b581:: with SMTP id e123mr24554556iof.67.1572910750041; Mon, 04 Nov 2019 15:39:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 15:38:58 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] working in stereoscopic 360 To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000850a5c05968dd2bc" --000000000000850a5c05968dd2bc Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One more thing, too - read this blog post. It's from 2 years ago, but they've specifically got a section about switching to Nuke/Cara for 360 work after attempting it in AE: https://headjack.io/blog/switching-nuke-hard-way/ On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 3:29 PM Nathan Shipley wrote: > Yeah. I've only done a little bit of this (and have never actually done > stereo other than a little test) but I'm with Brian - you want to be > working in Nuke, not AE. The CaraVR plugin is built specifically to hand= le > stereo 360 workflows: > > https://www.foundry.com/products/cara-vr > > I did use Mettle in AE on a job once and agree with David - it's slow and > clunky. > - Nathan > > On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 3:22 PM David Torno > wrote: > >> I agree with Chris. AE + 360 + Stereoscopic =3D duck and cover. >> >> 360, Stereoscopic I treated just like Maya. I opened it, looked around >> and said f... this, I=E2=80=99m out. Never to look back. :) >> >> The 360 part alone is a nightmare to wrangle in AE. Doubling the >> nightmare with Stereoscopic is inviting the universe over to knock the c= rap >> out you. Lol. >> >> In all seriousness though, AE is not going to hang in there very well >> stability wise is you are planning on tracking, comping, and doing every= day >> VFX. Render times alone on standard 360 footage is insane, and that=E2= =80=99s >> before you do any work on it. >> >> If your only option is AE then as far as I know Mettle is going to be >> your option for handling 360 conversions so you can even do VFX work. Fo= r >> Stereoscopic you=E2=80=99ll likely have to manually manage the Left and = Right top >> level comps. The syncing alone between them will be it=E2=80=99s own iss= ue. You may >> get interpolation issues if you do any retiming of any kind as that stuf= f >> doesn=E2=80=99t like to carry through all precomps up to the top comp cl= eanly >> sometimes. >> >> Both Stereoscopic and 360 still seem to be a wild west adventure as >> nobody really has locked down a solid AE pipeline in my opinion. You mig= ht >> have to pave the way a bit. >> >> >> David Torno >> -------------------- >> https://vimeo.com/davidtorno (experiments & breakdowns) >> https://gumroad.com/davidtorno (products for sale) >> http://provideocoalition.com/author/dtorno (tutorials) >> >> "The most useless day is that in which we do not laugh" >> -Charles Field >> >> On Nov 4, 2019, at 2:18 PM, Chris Zwar wrote: >> >> I was working on my first 360 video last year - mono - and it wasn=E2=80= =99t >> exactly fun. I was thinking about how it would work in stereo, and >> although I might be wrong it looked like you=E2=80=99d be juggling 12 pr= ecomps in >> After Effects. If that=E2=80=99s right then really, my first reaction i= s just =E2=80=9Crun >> away!" >> >> On 5 Nov 2019, at 2:16 am, mike cardeiro wrote= : >> >> I have been playing with 360 stereo video for work. I am trying to get = a >> workflow going for compositing | tracking | stabilizing in AE >> >> >> Almost everything I come across in my searches is for monoscopic 360. >> Does anybody know of any resources to learn how to work with stereoscopi= c >> 360 footage in AE? >> >> >> --000000000000850a5c05968dd2bc Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
One more thing, too - read this blog post.=C2=A0 It's = from 2 years ago, but they've specifically got a section about switchin= g to Nuke/Cara for 360 work after attempting it in AE:

<= a href=3D"https://headjack.io/blog/switching-nuke-hard-way/">https://headja= ck.io/blog/switching-nuke-hard-way/


<= div class=3D"gmail_quote">
On Mon, Nov= 4, 2019 at 3:29 PM Nathan Shipley <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
Yeah.=C2=A0 I've only do= ne a little bit of this (and have never actually done stereo other than a l= ittle test) but I'm with Brian - you want to be working in Nuke, not AE= .=C2=A0 The CaraVR plugin is built specifically to handle stereo 360 workfl= ows:

<= div>
I did use Mettle in AE on a job once and agree with Davi= d - it's slow and clunky.
=C2=A0- Nathan

On Mon, Nov 4, = 2019 at 3:22 PM David Torno <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
I agree with Chr= is. AE + 360 + Stereoscopic =3D duck and cover.

360, Ste= reoscopic I treated just like Maya. I opened it, looked around and said f..= . this, I=E2=80=99m out. Never to look back. :)

The = 360 part alone is a nightmare to wrangle in AE. Doubling the nightmare with= Stereoscopic is inviting the universe over to knock the crap out you. Lol.=

In all seriousness though, AE is not going to han= g in there very well stability wise is you are planning on tracking, compin= g, and doing everyday VFX. Render times alone on standard 360 footage is in= sane, and that=E2=80=99s before you do any work on it.

=
If your only option is AE then as far as I know Mettle is going to be = your option for handling 360 conversions so you can even do VFX work. For S= tereoscopic you=E2=80=99ll likely have to manually manage the Left and Righ= t top level comps. The syncing alone between them will be it=E2=80=99s own = issue. You may get interpolation issues if you do any retiming of any kind = as that stuff doesn=E2=80=99t like to carry through all precomps up to the = top comp cleanly sometimes.

Both Stereoscopic and 360 still seem to = be a wild west adventure as nobody really has locked down a solid AE pipeli= ne in my opinion. You might have to pave the way a bit.


David Torno
--------------------
https://vimeo.com/davidtorno (experiments & breakdowns)

"The most useless day is that in which we do not laugh"=
-Charles Fi= eld

On Nov 4, 2019, at 2:18 PM, Chri= s Zwar <AE-= List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

=
I was working on my first 360 video last year - mono - and= it wasn=E2=80=99t exactly fun.=C2=A0 I was thinking about how it would wor= k in stereo, and although I might be wrong it looked like you=E2=80=99d be = juggling 12 precomps in After Effects.=C2=A0 If that=E2=80=99s right then r= eally, my first reaction is just =E2=80=9Crun away!"

On 5 Nov 2019, at 2:16 am, mike cardeiro <AE-List@media-moti= on.tv> wrote:

I have been playing with 360 stereo vi= deo for work.=C2=A0 I am trying to get a workflow going for compositing | t= racking | stabilizing in AE

=C2=A0

Almost everything I come across in my searches is f= or monoscopic 360.=C2=A0 Does anybody know of any resources to learn how to= work with stereoscopic 360 footage in AE?


--000000000000850a5c05968dd2bc--