From: "Jim Curtis" Received: from sonic313-23.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com ([98.137.65.86] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 7476579 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 09 Dec 2019 22:12:18 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=flash.net; s=s2048; t=1575925936; bh=x+qWH6Wlxg0jjK016hYtTCcYhT7buNTDMeWt4ftANBI=; h=From:Subject:Date:References:To:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=mQjASEg2iqgP4RvNGLbklxCTqPml2yf//eBeO8djldpaP4PBWWAhqOYsnmwibXvGUy85/XZNbXAKBq7nhqFTFmkrZdXz99imLhkAxBOouM0nq/M9Q7lu30faReT88GE3hvxJ7eOQv8/d4KvE53qtd92c2I0n5qVlx3q3HFFP6qbLJUukiodKaCLiu/NNDS34IjOVouDDN5oZmHQV+T6Vi09HHj7TyEJjNPHY33NbyXZ14PMvQitWpHexZurkWd+MbKnviHz0xJWVEYupEGpr2QROqn0eU8Ll9j0Lr4cFzIri6CLDJq6rdwq7dWGxfrGI/wGAE5aMRhZx8hTWbwN8Pg== X-YMail-OSG: z1U_lfUVM1nQPr4wcdwjcsrn_cDiEOKQ2e6UpaFV9nhAp_frqsrd2YZY6Op8lOX M2SPA4FhY_3RjqsrNrFrcOtTylmehY3WA7zK0R.PVkbEQ5MRWO.FqpFKLC6e53V9VvW0_l10OfPQ LHFpNyJPPzfD_rH1dAc1fjx6j9Cg3GQH99_4piwX7g4k4RW9BGJnsWsAmk2r84ZJ29TdKjTf2qZv MPuwoFi5R8VwT1NRWjbJ4Ftqwbu75oUa.JvEkuAP7IJymD5Ex5lM88Je_JIY8JfP6K2FVvIgnzZ. 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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2019 15:12:13 -0600 References: To: After Effects Mail List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Content-Length: 7587 --Apple-Mail=_0C272B30-84FC-4AE1-B47E-DD101C099F9C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I=E2=80=99ve got too much invested in software to switch to Windows. I = looked at switching a few years ago, but my hangup is that my LTO = archiving app (BRU PE) is Mac only, and I have tapes going back 10 years = or so that I still need to access every now and then. I realize their track record for new Apple hardware isn=E2=80=99t great. = Nor has a 10.x.0 of OSX ever been perfect. I=E2=80=99m looking at = retirement in 5 years or so, so this would be my last workstation in all = likelihood. Good to know about the GPUs not being upgradable, if that=E2=80=99s = true. Although, that seems odd, since is has two double wide PCIe = slots. You don=E2=80=99t think any third party cards will work in it? = Ever? > On Dec 9, 2019, at 1:05 PM, Teddy Gage = wrote: >=20 > Not in a million years, I think it=E2=80=99s a dumb waste of money. = You could build a much faster PC for less. Don=E2=80=99t want to rehash = tired mac vs pc BS though. Also, even if I were getting one, say if = someone bought us one, I=E2=80=99d still wait at least 6 months to see = how any major design flaws suss out. I=E2=80=99ve been to studios where = 5 out of 10 Mac pro trashcans were in the shop at any one time for = various issues. Ditto the iMac Pro with heat and throttling issues. = Their track record on new Mac hardware fresh out the gate is not good.=20= >=20 > Also you won=E2=80=99t be able to add your own GPUs since they=E2=80=99r= e custom jobs made by Apple. >=20 > My 2c >=20 > On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 12:45 PM Jim Curtis > wrote: > Who=E2=80=99s getting one? >=20 > I=E2=80=99m thinking about ordering a base model with all the cores I = can get for $10K, and then adding my own RAM and GPU later, at half the = cost. >=20 > Also, thinking about ordering through a VAR, so I can get billed in = this tax year, and take delivery in Jan. Apple doesn=E2=80=99t charge = your card until the product ships. >=20 > Anybody else? See anything wrong with my plan? >=20 > . > +---End of message---+ > To unsubscribe send any message to > > --=20 > _____________________________ > Teddy Gage > President > Shotgun Inc. > 360 VR | MOGRAPH | VFX > SHOTGUNPOST.COM > BKLYN NY 11215 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_0C272B30-84FC-4AE1-B47E-DD101C099F9C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 I=E2=80=99ve got too much invested in software to switch to = Windows.  I looked at switching a few years ago, but my hangup is = that my LTO archiving app (BRU PE) is Mac only, and I have tapes going = back 10 years or so that I still need to access every now and then.

I realize their track = record for new Apple hardware isn=E2=80=99t great.  Nor has a = 10.x.0 of OSX ever been perfect.  I=E2=80=99m looking at retirement = in 5 years or so, so this would be my last workstation in all = likelihood.

Good= to know about the GPUs not being upgradable, if that=E2=80=99s true. =  Although, that seems odd, since is has two double wide PCIe slots. =  You don=E2=80=99t think any third party cards will work in it? =  Ever?


On Dec = 9, 2019, at 1:05 PM, Teddy Gage <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

Not in a million years, I think it=E2=80=99s a = dumb waste of money. You could build a much faster PC for less. Don=E2=80=99= t want to rehash tired mac vs pc BS though. Also, even if I were getting = one, say if someone bought us one, I=E2=80=99d still wait at least 6 = months to see how any major design flaws suss out. I=E2=80=99ve been to = studios where 5 out of 10 Mac pro trashcans were in the shop at any one = time for various issues. Ditto the iMac Pro with heat and throttling = issues. Their track record on new Mac hardware fresh out the gate is not = good. 

Also you won=E2=80=99t be able to add your own = GPUs since they=E2=80=99re custom jobs made by Apple.

My 2c

On Mon, Dec = 9, 2019 at 12:45 PM Jim Curtis <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
Who=E2=80=99s getting = one?

I=E2=80=99m thinking about ordering a base model with all the cores I = can get for $10K, and then adding my own RAM and GPU later, at half the = cost.

Also, thinking about ordering through a VAR, so I can get billed in this = tax year, and take delivery in Jan.  Apple doesn=E2=80=99t charge = your card until the product ships.

Anybody else?  See anything wrong with my plan?

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