From: "Chris Zwar" Received: from mail-pf1-f169.google.com ([209.85.210.169] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 7476615 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 00:16:44 +0100 Received: by mail-pf1-f169.google.com with SMTP id q8so8010600pfh.7 for ; Mon, 09 Dec 2019 15:16:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=chriszwar-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=from:mime-version:subject:date:references:to:in-reply-to:message-id; bh=FN43nSGD5r076JnFXGuJg/l198+zHVsz6fxUuWtorjc=; b=do3O38aa1PHyWAozo3WUM9Qsc0MLSIUiF/o61e1PbI0fsTPU1O70UnzLuhRR20M3K9 oOOrOnPpx6yj81NXNVhiIcPAfs0mzXJ2bkw3OZtV4PBEXN78iQHG/w3NCsW3FDg3ym0f qBXol/tHBTZZRJH2B8q8Lqt5ogBNY1QmGUf3cTxtn441jIVsWBLS43qeLhTFWBNc7B4Q 4JQb/GjXPBOLrzNEdvMXnERPuYcEJ2psFCT7pSEto4KwrPVwARRSmIulPI8Ze+C9fF52 3JCBQtKA/5zFHEXY00oCVXe2Nd/kcTzPhw6KCo0V7uR+qYUTmz3/V2uFCxGYlxxW8JzG zFUw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:mime-version:subject:date:references:to :in-reply-to:message-id; bh=FN43nSGD5r076JnFXGuJg/l198+zHVsz6fxUuWtorjc=; b=SG3e6jcTxxz8cFes5Adj1YV/rXcm/fDlcwMYFgqpPYvHRyNiizccWZNfz2UYUnkO+v 4lIAcYIESoTnKQ/CoJC5Vc1DYQ8qX4LjGDdsmXmEqEIebuTEVqaLYuGVVZhNO32wMIKQ Zn60A4qwiSQ7L0vBeyj5K6theiShiTIqp5OwwwzTN+akSvrLaMpsU6TnRO9lYT1PfM38 X3MjUoL8B3s37PQZfSwT6NTKL6wdAv0/+ecjuWOmzPOXgVxkFPEuapFTIN21LOviZKrV eWT+jdcbnZEcSqLOjqszP+LQqSr61NNyBy8d1wTRq5jXQ5TwQtBTp13GalSAEquljFox 86gA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXhGlHscGS43cBS89x2LN8wpmOWfn4huTV8npx4vh1Ht1ulih3H jQl53OuEu9hBBLMAP0nVj5anabthba4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxK7edAedsV9MVwyU+mdcxgT3PuR8GUNl3SnOG1XBLmBgwILX3FLCSto/pm19v0y1QO7/Z3iw== X-Received: by 2002:aa7:9afb:: with SMTP id y27mr31795886pfp.91.1575933401830; Mon, 09 Dec 2019 15:16:41 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from [192.168.1.141] ([210.8.181.146]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i26sm511843pfr.151.2019.12.09.15.16.40 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 09 Dec 2019 15:16:41 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_CD80798D-D7B4-4225-B57B-BFD22A6CB6EB" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Subject: Re: [AE] We can order a new MacPro tomorrow. Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 10:16:37 +1100 References: To: After Effects Mail List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) --Apple-Mail=_CD80798D-D7B4-4225-B57B-BFD22A6CB6EB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Yeah that=E2=80=99s broadly how I=E2=80=99ve always felt. Let=E2=80=99s = assume that a fully specced option is six figures. For that amount of = money, I think a better investment would be an enterprise level SSD NAS, = and then a bunch of render nodes. Sure, if you=E2=80=99re editing = multiple streams of 8K video that=E2=80=99s a different thing, but for = animation I=E2=80=99m a big believer in render farms and lots of cheaper = nodes. And to make that work effectively, you need super-fast network = storage. > On 10 Dec 2019, at 9:47 am, Teddy Gage = wrote: >=20 > I feel like I was a little harsh without explaining myself. I don't = think it's actually a bad computer. There are many great things about = it. But it's not really for us. Unless you need 4 simultaneous 8K = outputs (you might?) and / or transcoding that many streams, it's = massive overkill. Additionally, the xeon cores are great for big = distributed CPU tasks like, say, rendering in Arnold, but are not good = for mainly single threaded tasks like using After Effects or running a = 3D software like C4D, zbrush, x-particles, etc. Most of our software = still is bottle-necked by single threaded tasks. I'd much rather have 10 = cores at 5.2 GHz than 24 cores at 3.0 ghz. I'd rather put the money they = spent on the Ferrari-like chassis on 4x 2080ti GPUs instead. And so on. = If I was running a straight edit facility with a ton of footage = throughput and was transcoding / streaming 24/7 the mac pro would make = sense. But your average rich hobbyist, small shop or freelancer isn't = going to utilize 1/10 of this machine and you're paying for the wrong = stuff. >=20 > On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 5:22 PM Terry Wieser > wrote: > I paid the big bucks and waited almost a year for the first Trash Can = Pro only to find a top of the line iMac was pretty fast and much more = reliable. > I will be waiting to see what the early adopters think about the speed = and reliability vs. their money. > +---End of message---+ > To unsubscribe send any message to > >=20 >=20 > --=20 > _____________________________ > Teddy Gage > President > Shotgun Inc. > 360 VR | MOGRAPH | VFX > SHOTGUNPOST.COM > BKLYN NY 11215 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_CD80798D-D7B4-4225-B57B-BFD22A6CB6EB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Yeah = that=E2=80=99s broadly how I=E2=80=99ve always felt.  Let=E2=80=99s = assume that a fully specced option is six figures.  For that amount = of money, I think a better investment would be an enterprise level SSD = NAS, and then a bunch of render nodes.  Sure, if you=E2=80=99re = editing multiple streams of 8K video that=E2=80=99s a different thing, = but for animation I=E2=80=99m a big believer in render farms and lots of = cheaper nodes. And to make that work effectively, you need super-fast = network storage.

On = 10 Dec 2019, at 9:47 am, Teddy Gage <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

I feel like I was a little harsh without explaining myself. I = don't think it's actually a bad computer. There are many great things = about it. But it's not really for us. Unless you need 4 simultaneous 8K = outputs (you might?) and / or transcoding that many streams, it's = massive overkill. Additionally, the xeon cores are great for big = distributed CPU tasks like, say, rendering in Arnold, but are not good = for mainly single threaded tasks like using After Effects or running a = 3D software like C4D, zbrush, x-particles, etc. Most of our software = still is bottle-necked by single threaded tasks. I'd much rather have 10 = cores at 5.2 GHz than 24 cores at 3.0 ghz. I'd rather put the money they = spent on the Ferrari-like chassis on 4x 2080ti GPUs instead. And so on. = If I was running a straight edit facility with a ton of footage = throughput and was transcoding / streaming 24/7 the mac pro would make = sense. But your average rich hobbyist, small shop or freelancer isn't = going to utilize 1/10 of this machine and you're paying for the wrong = stuff.

On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 5:22 PM Terry Wieser <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
I = paid the big bucks and waited almost a year for the first Trash Can Pro = only to find a top of the line iMac was pretty fast and much more = reliable.
I will be waiting to see what the early adopters think about the speed = and reliability vs. their money.
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