From: "Dennis Wilkins" Received: from se3-lax1.servconfig.com ([104.244.124.87] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 7477118 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 23:29:27 +0100 Received: from biz127.inmotionhosting.com ([74.124.215.139]) by se3-lax1.servconfig.com with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ieo0P-0005Gr-P9 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 17:29:24 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=reelsolutions.com; s=default; h=Message-Id:In-Reply-To:To:References:Date: Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:From:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=ys4FmDaB+FvB2dwsM09HeKhFxhtSuXGxtF0S6rWO6g0=; b=DelNuBsxoVyrTk62qpeq2iGCO g0gqg4oMe535RZzRiwl/r+dQWJkSk1jJ2mzuNKkPXdL2j4QnPrLenECJaTKdF8HuIIdkuCrQ4vLZS Xm9la0RVxsLUrQupVqn4ZBjOuEqzX53A4PmThuULT9/ECki8+xVLS/uSKKMmrbCgEDSpE=; Received: from [73.162.54.113] (port=52646 helo=[192.168.1.92]) by biz127.inmotionhosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ieo0E-0089xw-AI for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 14:29:21 -0800 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_3A54323D-46AC-458E-9FBC-8AC8551FB938" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Subject: Re: [AE] We can order a new MacPro tomorrow. Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 14:29:09 -0800 References: To: After Effects Mail List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <9EC1E2D0-C6D4-49F8-A439-BF30E49C2022@reelsolutions.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) X-OutGoing-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: biz127.inmotionhosting.com: authenticated_id: dennis@reelsolutions.com X-Authenticated-Sender: biz127.inmotionhosting.com: dennis@reelsolutions.com X-Originating-IP: 74.124.215.139 X-SpamExperts-Domain: biz127.inmotionhosting.com X-SpamExperts-Username: 74.124.215.139 Authentication-Results: servconfig.com; auth=pass smtp.auth=74.124.215.139@biz127.inmotionhosting.com X-SpamExperts-Outgoing-Class: unsure X-SpamExperts-Outgoing-Evidence: Combined (0.35) X-Recommended-Action: accept X-Filter-ID: Mvzo4OR0dZXEDF/gcnlw0fi3oD8HEy9ysrsB6Ile+oipSDasLI4SayDByyq9LIhVQFSRDkE8irpL 1UqABGK/G0TNWdUk1Ol2OGx3IfrIJKywOmJyM1qr8uRnWBrbSAGDSZ07zKgM8PW4UTfIro0akdlc 87bL9Te2rDLk4pXZSNghH1Ov4RAF69OR/5agJ+RV4pWx7WxWFZpsjT/483ewgnBpqZvo8S/Elh6D JFe855BQnNIVIGV7K3onN9v18vhsyyWTtSpU+pNaNZPOHqxTQwzny1soUtF/gJP2ILEwXs/Bw20w znHbCTyrJ4HboPxPFY8k1WG3OMoOaVGt2zSTlBuhe3E/04XQR82zlOo2rZj5gCxcsSLD/tx2p73X NFeQJFaKhkSDy4cAI5e/1P/crAzcLiPibp7eiMkmZ+TDXbkvTRxdebmKLQZvPPRB7w6pA1aO0ASg ODHLSquIn2D3FxUS9itywBHw11Tnbe8A27oomkb88FZtlL215ubG5xECaDDDId9M9KLt1JmuiAga qJuhsj9t9+IR2zULO4aSf08VibkyMxsuFG9+hHfpakcKugBtfK1Us0vBD0buxpxtOHMcN6qoXPje nLhIOF1oeRbXu0Kmt95icbHIp5zFv6rk6nVD635ROHK9W73z3axsXm6uO6/5wmCmZcubqn3eJYMT vLtGoOPovZCzlvXEZ2pH+W/EFk9l/6wnuexhRUtwxLgbhIjFDhSjHjVkMDx/0Ps9Y1+B5NAl+UiK W8CuUu+cOqQHhr3v4Oz5AjCgZJLP7wSIGxzBF2u2H7X6hZMNOOw14O9uIBc4R2FHvu2iptL1cTxN MVHfXFdPqDUvIePPsE4vidrAbzPztKfs4s5XguLRDSBOkH+wK+Us2kHweQRMzovMMLrzDM3v71wq tTpju+3E7PNP9hZ2YPyDLCAHXnUr1rEqcsUDTJSgc4DzBfb0p3RMa7tx95EJF0wgBNjINk9hyMXn p9keTY0e0P025dBoMMMh30z0ou3Uma6ICBqoU8nxB7Ktrp7QqBp6Hr7VC/BWCd1QU1ASKAG/y7UC Z4RWBRU3XZvUK1+KHvj8p2fafcsvPH8XaBPfCXwlAm8GGg== X-Report-Abuse-To: spam@se1-lax1.servconfig.com --Apple-Mail=_3A54323D-46AC-458E-9FBC-8AC8551FB938 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I=E2=80=99d personally get the 16-core one with the better GPU and then = get as much RAM as you can afford aftermarket (192GB or better). AE uses = a ton of RAM and when it runs out performance can be 3X slower or worse = (not the possibly 10-25% like we=E2=80=99re talking about with the Mac = vs PC debate). I=E2=80=99m not sure how AE uses CPU cores but it seems = like it uses several at 20-50% of their potential, rather than 1-2 maxed = out. I=E2=80=99ve seen old iMacs render AE projects faster than much = faster machines because they had substantially more RAM per thread. The = more CPU cores you have, the more RAM you need for AE imo. I=E2=80=99d = consider getting a bigger SSD from Apple too - they aren=E2=80=99t that = much more in the big picture. I haven=E2=80=99t moved to Catalina yet and if you haven=E2=80=99t just = be aware that you need to check what apps/scripts/etc you regularly use = and make sure they=E2=80=99re supported or you have an option to choose = from. QuickTime 7 is officially dead as are all 32bit apps going = forward. I=E2=80=99m guessing you won=E2=80=99t be able to install older = versions of AE and Premiere (I=E2=80=99m not sure how far you=E2=80=99ll = be able to go back in that regard). If you get a business account at Apple you can save some money (it=E2=80=99= s easy), or use an Apple card (5% off at Apple). I=E2=80=99ve also = bought several Macs from Expercom which discounts Apple products (you = may have to call them to set up an =E2=80=9Caccount=E2=80=9D to see the = lower prices on their webpage. If you can wait a bit they often offer = custom build options with 3rd party RAM that will save you money (I=E2=80=99= ve never had a problem with their RAM and it=E2=80=99s warranted for a = lifetime). They aren=E2=80=99t listing that as an option yet for these = machines though. I=E2=80=99ll be interested to hear how it works for you; I=E2=80=99m = sure those apps will be well supported by that machine, although the GPU = may be underutilized until they release updates specifically geared for = it. Dennis Wilkins | c o d e - c o l l e c t i ve =20 > On Dec 10, 2019, at 1:41 PM, Jim Curtis = wrote: >=20 > In spite of the arguments against it, and I appreciate all the input, = pro and con, I still think I=E2=80=99m going to order one. I can be the = canary in the coal mine. >=20 > So my question for the experts is: Since Ae and Pr comprise 99% of my = paying work, what do you think would be better? >=20 > 16-core > 32G RAM (base) > Radeon Pro Vega II with 32GB of HBM2 memory (+$2400 over the base GPU) > 1 TB SSD > $10,799 from Apple. >=20 > or >=20 > 24-core > 32G RAM (base) > Radeon Pro 580X with 8GB of GDDR5 memory (base) > 1 TB SSD > $12,399 from Apple >=20 > IOW, fewer cores and better GPU vs. more cores and lesser GPU. >=20 > I understand this may be unanswerable now, but I wonder whether buying = the base GPU can be replaced (or augmented) with a better 3rd party card = later. Apple=E2=80=99s prices to upgrade the GPUs are stratospheric. >=20 > I=E2=80=99ll add more RAM later from a 3rd party. Their upgrade to = the SSD isn=E2=80=99t as obscene as some of their other upgrade options. >=20 > Again, part of the reason to buy one of these is for tax purposes. = I=E2=80=99m currently working on a 2012 cheese grater that has a hard = time with Pr 2020. >=20 >=20 > x > +---End of message---+ > To unsubscribe send any message to --Apple-Mail=_3A54323D-46AC-458E-9FBC-8AC8551FB938 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

I=E2=80=99d personally = get the 16-core one with the better GPU and then get as much RAM as you = can afford aftermarket (192GB or better). AE uses a ton of RAM and when = it runs out performance can be 3X slower or worse (not the possibly = 10-25% like we=E2=80=99re talking about with the Mac vs PC debate). = I=E2=80=99m not sure how AE uses CPU cores but it seems like it uses = several at 20-50% of their potential, rather than 1-2 maxed out. I=E2=80=99= ve seen old iMacs render AE projects faster than much faster machines = because they had substantially more RAM per thread. The more CPU cores = you have, the more RAM you need for AE imo. I=E2=80=99d consider getting = a bigger SSD from Apple too - they aren=E2=80=99t that much more in the = big picture.

I haven=E2=80=99t moved to Catalina yet = and if you haven=E2=80=99t just be aware that you need to check what = apps/scripts/etc you regularly use and make sure they=E2=80=99re = supported or you have an option to choose from. QuickTime 7 is = officially dead as are all 32bit apps going forward. I=E2=80=99m = guessing you won=E2=80=99t be able to install older versions of AE and = Premiere (I=E2=80=99m not sure how far you=E2=80=99ll be able to go back = in that regard).

If you get a business account at Apple you can save some = money (it=E2=80=99s easy), or use an Apple card (5% off at Apple). = I=E2=80=99ve also bought several Macs from Expercom which discounts = Apple products (you may have to call them to set up an =E2=80=9Caccount=E2= =80=9D to see the lower prices on their webpage. If you can wait a bit = they often offer custom build options with 3rd party RAM that will save = you money (I=E2=80=99ve never had a problem with their RAM and it=E2=80=99= s warranted for a lifetime). They aren=E2=80=99t listing that as an = option yet for these machines though.

I=E2=80=99ll be interested to hear how = it works for you; I=E2=80=99m sure those apps will be well supported by = that machine, although the GPU may be underutilized until they release = updates specifically geared for it.


Dennis Wilkins  |  c o = d e - c o l l e c t i ve  




On Dec 10, 2019, at 1:41 PM, Jim Curtis <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

In = spite of the arguments against it, and I appreciate all the input, pro = and con, I still think I=E2=80=99m going to order one.  I can be = the canary in the coal mine.

So my question = for the experts is:  Since Ae and Pr comprise 99% of my paying = work, what do you think would be better?

16-core
32G RAM (base)
Radeon Pro = Vega II with 32GB of HBM2 memory (+$2400 over the base GPU)
1 TB SSD
$10,799 from Apple.

or

24-core
32G RAM = (base)
Radeon Pro 580X with 8GB of GDDR5 memory (base)
1 TB SSD
$12,399 from Apple

IOW, fewer cores and better GPU vs. more cores and lesser = GPU.

I understand this may be unanswerable = now, but I wonder whether buying the base GPU can be replaced (or = augmented) with a better 3rd party card later.  Apple=E2=80=99s = prices to upgrade the GPUs are stratospheric.

I=E2=80=99ll add more RAM later from a 3rd party.  Their = upgrade to the SSD isn=E2=80=99t as obscene as some of their other = upgrade options.

Again, part of the reason = to buy one of these is for tax purposes.  I=E2=80=99m currently = working on a 2012 cheese grater that has a hard time with Pr 2020.


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