From: "Chris Zwar" Received: from mail-pf1-f176.google.com ([209.85.210.176] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 7477125 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 00:00:15 +0100 Received: by mail-pf1-f176.google.com with SMTP id b19so626762pfo.2 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 15:00:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=chriszwar-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=from:mime-version:subject:date:references:to:in-reply-to:message-id; bh=OVYc0ZDIeM6tBTeUYoRTrK/np+Lhyh8EpmV2p3h2SE4=; b=fQ7b42mSgcjdTkDfc2QIoJ4BwppnMq9XJTjTC47ZHsyfkpMkHUU2U3K7fDFv1BVIn2 8r8Rf2x090kazwHcRWH1ty5F0NuSTodWAvkjmQoyJEj7DoS/XE+1ZOqMsp7+jDPC8y/6 ROm1Ir+dfefF63BN/UldexjR9KDbF0FqX5CFuaZrmjxjFoBatBA9XPeYXPKfBJ5pZbrx FTXd1HYi8RmSLmlOXJ/93Vpac5yucrkPFM+8UZuitEm72jiQ4ydn59CtaZXB0MSw5ViJ 42JkokcURztVSb3tEZ6oIY+RNRiQUYy8gfVMkAlf8nZzX8x2MYdgA6b19EVR1mPltwnN xKGA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:mime-version:subject:date:references:to :in-reply-to:message-id; bh=OVYc0ZDIeM6tBTeUYoRTrK/np+Lhyh8EpmV2p3h2SE4=; b=pp1SHXcWtXpy2Rn5QLcxc/DfTuEkUIEv/Wn0YsIkl0Ru5eJKAU/MGl2R5o8hTZttNQ P4vUcI76OtNxMq/cLlIbfnZn33+15N9rp+cldnG9G61DHKAyCTE5beH7n9vgufEPOsam xuuG5qqoRYRhus3lcde6vL1cqP+rEeXTAOYHs3crDbfymRPRXMGFssyCp3JQFWCz39vl Eb73H35UMMoAvzq/KXZhMtsci+nZ5DcSqe4z1w1t3EzKwjmUm5Z2b2iUEmzJpZ+69psJ 6562XXQwF01aQq4kw/P0mr5jfye7Wp7bhmjoQ3nDepmxuhiGs3v78dJhS17C9bVXZOKp vQFw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXZKJ+Iz56MyMZk4evc5/3UyR8HAuhhnIPnWZpJ1En1XR+Oc8rM cxinNxoCaghgWZpKff60sDOP99rZUw8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxeqj3Lssq1Djw5YN/3YZHXdLVLYDdLaV57IWCGrNCwcXPZSmrz0/HNbc7h4x1axWUKDMkGdw== X-Received: by 2002:a63:512:: with SMTP id 18mr562572pgf.221.1576018812735; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 15:00:12 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from [192.168.1.141] ([210.8.181.146]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z130sm61629pgz.6.2019.12.10.15.00.11 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 10 Dec 2019 15:00:11 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_3485EE09-F8FD-4E07-96D0-B986EBD184AF" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Subject: Re: [AE] We can order a new MacPro tomorrow. Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 10:00:08 +1100 References: To: After Effects Mail List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <3E1245BD-0DEB-45A5-9AB3-312BB4D66974@chriszwar.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) --Apple-Mail=_3485EE09-F8FD-4E07-96D0-B986EBD184AF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 No-one has mentioned the most important part yet: the wheels. In Aus$ = the wheels are $400 extra. That=E2=80=99s $100 each. For a wheel... > On 11 Dec 2019, at 9:29 am, Dennis Wilkins = wrote: >=20 >=20 > I=E2=80=99d personally get the 16-core one with the better GPU and = then get as much RAM as you can afford aftermarket (192GB or better). AE = uses a ton of RAM and when it runs out performance can be 3X slower or = worse (not the possibly 10-25% like we=E2=80=99re talking about with the = Mac vs PC debate). I=E2=80=99m not sure how AE uses CPU cores but it = seems like it uses several at 20-50% of their potential, rather than 1-2 = maxed out. I=E2=80=99ve seen old iMacs render AE projects faster than = much faster machines because they had substantially more RAM per thread. = The more CPU cores you have, the more RAM you need for AE imo. I=E2=80=99d= consider getting a bigger SSD from Apple too - they aren=E2=80=99t that = much more in the big picture. >=20 > I haven=E2=80=99t moved to Catalina yet and if you haven=E2=80=99t = just be aware that you need to check what apps/scripts/etc you regularly = use and make sure they=E2=80=99re supported or you have an option to = choose from. QuickTime 7 is officially dead as are all 32bit apps going = forward. I=E2=80=99m guessing you won=E2=80=99t be able to install older = versions of AE and Premiere (I=E2=80=99m not sure how far you=E2=80=99ll = be able to go back in that regard). >=20 > If you get a business account at Apple you can save some money (it=E2=80= =99s easy), or use an Apple card (5% off at Apple). I=E2=80=99ve also = bought several Macs from Expercom which discounts Apple products (you = may have to call them to set up an =E2=80=9Caccount=E2=80=9D to see the = lower prices on their webpage. If you can wait a bit they often offer = custom build options with 3rd party RAM that will save you money (I=E2=80=99= ve never had a problem with their RAM and it=E2=80=99s warranted for a = lifetime). They aren=E2=80=99t listing that as an option yet for these = machines though. >=20 > I=E2=80=99ll be interested to hear how it works for you; I=E2=80=99m = sure those apps will be well supported by that machine, although the GPU = may be underutilized until they release updates specifically geared for = it. >=20 >=20 > Dennis Wilkins | c o d e - c o l l e c t i ve =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On Dec 10, 2019, at 1:41 PM, Jim Curtis > wrote: >>=20 >> In spite of the arguments against it, and I appreciate all the input, = pro and con, I still think I=E2=80=99m going to order one. I can be the = canary in the coal mine. >>=20 >> So my question for the experts is: Since Ae and Pr comprise 99% of = my paying work, what do you think would be better? >>=20 >> 16-core >> 32G RAM (base) >> Radeon Pro Vega II with 32GB of HBM2 memory (+$2400 over the base = GPU) >> 1 TB SSD >> $10,799 from Apple. >>=20 >> or >>=20 >> 24-core >> 32G RAM (base) >> Radeon Pro 580X with 8GB of GDDR5 memory (base) >> 1 TB SSD >> $12,399 from Apple >>=20 >> IOW, fewer cores and better GPU vs. more cores and lesser GPU. >>=20 >> I understand this may be unanswerable now, but I wonder whether = buying the base GPU can be replaced (or augmented) with a better 3rd = party card later. Apple=E2=80=99s prices to upgrade the GPUs are = stratospheric. >>=20 >> I=E2=80=99ll add more RAM later from a 3rd party. Their upgrade to = the SSD isn=E2=80=99t as obscene as some of their other upgrade options. >>=20 >> Again, part of the reason to buy one of these is for tax purposes. = I=E2=80=99m currently working on a 2012 cheese grater that has a hard = time with Pr 2020. >>=20 >>=20 >> x >> +---End of message---+ >> To unsubscribe send any message to > >=20 --Apple-Mail=_3485EE09-F8FD-4E07-96D0-B986EBD184AF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 No-one has mentioned the most important part yet: the wheels. =  In Aus$ the wheels are $400 extra.  That=E2=80=99s $100 each. =  For a wheel...

On 11 Dec 2019, at 9:29 am, = Dennis Wilkins <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:


I=E2=80=99d personally get the 16-core = one with the better GPU and then get as much RAM as you can afford = aftermarket (192GB or better). AE uses a ton of RAM and when it runs out = performance can be 3X slower or worse (not the possibly 10-25% like = we=E2=80=99re talking about with the Mac vs PC debate). I=E2=80=99m not = sure how AE uses CPU cores but it seems like it uses several at 20-50% = of their potential, rather than 1-2 maxed out. I=E2=80=99ve seen old = iMacs render AE projects faster than much faster machines because they = had substantially more RAM per thread. The more CPU cores you have, the = more RAM you need for AE imo. I=E2=80=99d consider getting a bigger SSD = from Apple too - they aren=E2=80=99t that much more in the big = picture.

I haven=E2=80=99t moved to Catalina yet and if you haven=E2=80=99= t just be aware that you need to check what apps/scripts/etc you = regularly use and make sure they=E2=80=99re supported or you have an = option to choose from. QuickTime 7 is officially dead as are all 32bit = apps going forward. I=E2=80=99m guessing you won=E2=80=99t be able to = install older versions of AE and Premiere (I=E2=80=99m not sure how far = you=E2=80=99ll be able to go back in that regard).

If you get a business = account at Apple you can save some money (it=E2=80=99s easy), or use an = Apple card (5% off at Apple). I=E2=80=99ve also bought several Macs from = Expercom which discounts Apple products (you may have to call them to = set up an =E2=80=9Caccount=E2=80=9D to see the lower prices on their = webpage. If you can wait a bit they often offer custom build options = with 3rd party RAM that will save you money (I=E2=80=99ve never had a = problem with their RAM and it=E2=80=99s warranted for a lifetime). They = aren=E2=80=99t listing that as an option yet for these machines = though.

I=E2=80=99= ll be interested to hear how it works for you; I=E2=80=99m sure those = apps will be well supported by that machine, although the GPU may be = underutilized until they release updates specifically geared for = it.


Dennis Wilkins  |  c o d e - c o l l e c t i = ve  




On Dec 10, 2019, at 1:41 PM, Jim Curtis <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

In = spite of the arguments against it, and I appreciate all the input, pro = and con, I still think I=E2=80=99m going to order one.  I can be = the canary in the coal mine.

So my question = for the experts is:  Since Ae and Pr comprise 99% of my paying = work, what do you think would be better?

16-core
32G RAM (base)
Radeon Pro = Vega II with 32GB of HBM2 memory (+$2400 over the base GPU)
1 TB SSD
$10,799 from Apple.

or

24-core
32G RAM = (base)
Radeon Pro 580X with 8GB of GDDR5 memory (base)
1 TB SSD
$12,399 from Apple

IOW, fewer cores and better GPU vs. more cores and lesser = GPU.

I understand this may be unanswerable = now, but I wonder whether buying the base GPU can be replaced (or = augmented) with a better 3rd party card later.  Apple=E2=80=99s = prices to upgrade the GPUs are stratospheric.

I=E2=80=99ll add more RAM later from a 3rd party.  Their = upgrade to the SSD isn=E2=80=99t as obscene as some of their other = upgrade options.

Again, part of the reason = to buy one of these is for tax purposes.  I=E2=80=99m currently = working on a 2012 cheese grater that has a hard time with Pr 2020.


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