From: Received: from sonic305-21.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com ([98.137.64.84] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 7477142 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 00:09:00 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=aol.com; s=a2048; t=1576019337; bh=quzbUv/sJEVbz9/j9HUKgdaiZbqRxbldg23G6FMddCI=; h=Date:From:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=LR4J/faC4W3Eonf2JBRtsKGZjyf/9C2C2k8ThhEFxp+7mzDsur3DNRLWP1iSGEjvZCVMthlNfB2GUWyMHuGDzZTQFC+27RYQxtyRP8kexnvqO4ljfCGye0GwEWX3o/hAHeXllYf7i+SoQ3QOyIfj9Sdxd3vt5aQ2tcQuLhANLr+2IZg7R9rZMG5hP3hOUTnEluio33MLOe4145vYPGbYdLLQLRUf7ssX/068dmsbolWjK6YkpwF5Od76wVLahJJe7LGfrw807p6B6qmPdkwMl8osvVLq893GJwYZd0wm9NsVI1Fc03EsZQY5YNeGVyrjvx0/OKkVir2GsxHbari9Dw== X-YMail-OSG: Rfl..3wVM1m6iQ.maT8i27n0ZTTSaczTvv0PSYTll78hT_UFfobeom2j1VYNkFO 1.g7KJNui7_8zAY0G_oyKt5xw5uX0jFUxhs7Zlv295Gh8AKj_Wy7kOzbswMPz8aCJZbKwcfMr_mE iBv6QH_qeT_ixyKxAbqQT0JU29nVKojGyGOEnXK5r8QwCDT0ISJYaYicXZpOs8VqYijpSPSXDgjB xCsz25MWM1GCAHCmicR0xjhgIOkU8Mq_h6rsSlF4p0xiXZnIJIto2tC8JPoTmMsyJfzAbnz.MoCx wELgxcZri7uFh7drewnafLR0AuTP7K5SibqbVj7rDoyMntHKJYT9hTHh7RFMHHWwWJQw_8MBJo0k DF_p3_U4ibK29N_0Nue.lYrSjgv_m71kt6dlBHbIusHljkV5WB3.T_iUBKtsr448T2Picag_G4jV _NPhnzFSQSaQ5seohRIWDKKw9xK0DRTjYO6XeZElVca5V1JdI0Iakr3xkFOJSAqYsd1QOoDxaOle 4MIXlVSxODB.VPtcMYnFGTKiJ9xKUEq6Rm1CgB7Sv84Pxys7F1VCTQYos9z3MwS0eYIozUCvVmG6 AtRg2oVqgvOc3mg8QBdrwFlcigzAdh5.p2ECMfsgOXJF1HxJ9Y0tP3_mERPTS8PT_R4MkgdXNf4k xTstJ4ucqCr3mw0_.rNKvXSgCLcBhMGxGYsoDLf8k7OFdnQrG8GO2lXuUuV8EOfH5vcWlKlX7r_v useNXC8D8HOzgfTDSWLGDFWq.pNXRy9Ys1qCjWtH9CSDQ4YUzFqtcVbfsg6uMKJDFq8wjIC_0NYH cdcWoKqosYDlGbMoXNS8pDynsTD3d4kFx8SbeMtnDstHJKNHiklj5hwvxHkQZYd_YpGl_wMSRAEy EjGb9FKyKB5QwTSlGpbIXF1bLjuHlXepSVBcylSsDnOgexHgS_17_HPGGafVDVC8HXZBDF28XJxi YB._Wk.kKWFpeq7jDG1NVJEgAtilx_Z1YnZoQ6WhBJ_lFW7TJElHSbNwE136SpwF1WdM2ggX0uoY SiL18llqKgBpdYd1qi1BWGqaMa.bzlfLRQDlymziDCEMvQMWVxJw_fOMwVQfMdz1rMIj9oAsCU5t nlZQintGXGXy2eSzXP_.xeMaqdsMJ.X7zTLPtidHMpNHCIa.J.lOwHOkweKRiRgozXAtYqmsCcn6 bl_4MJ6lD1.vowyUDaAjzVe_8wsICl0WdUuTlhWLGHeYRxf2YD9PGEt389CjgN581wTUVs3ohH1M XVckzN1bDJPNFxGuf0cEi9wInJedLAYMn5oskjQ13IQMA2HtkDEF9h9FfgwZWXA-- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic305.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 23:08:57 +0000 Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 23:08:56 +0000 (UTC) To: AE-List@media-motion.tv Message-ID: <1235763750.6556202.1576019336289@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [AE] We can order a new MacPro tomorrow. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_6556201_1216216512.1576019336287" X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.14728 aolwebmail Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_12_6) AppleWebKit/605.1.15 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/12.1.2 Safari/605.1.15 Content-Length: 11535 ------=_Part_6556201_1216216512.1576019336287 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Other World Computing (MacSales.com) announced that they will be selling RA= M for the New Mac Pro too. Their RAM is also very good -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Wilkins To: After Effects Mail List Sent: Tue, Dec 10, 2019 5:29 pm Subject: Re: [AE] We can order a new MacPro tomorrow. I=E2=80=99d personally get the 16-core one with the better GPU and then get= as much RAM as you can afford aftermarket (192GB or better). AE uses a ton= of RAM and when it runs out performance can be 3X slower or worse (not the= possibly 10-25% like we=E2=80=99re talking about with the Mac vs PC debate= ). I=E2=80=99m not sure how AE uses CPU cores but it seems like it uses sev= eral at 20-50% of their potential, rather than 1-2 maxed out. I=E2=80=99ve = seen old iMacs render AE projects faster than much faster machines because = they had substantially more RAM per thread. The more CPU cores you have, th= e more RAM you need for AE imo. I=E2=80=99d consider getting a bigger SSD f= rom Apple too - they aren=E2=80=99t that much more in the big picture. I haven=E2=80=99t moved to Catalina yet and if you haven=E2=80=99t just be = aware that you need to check what apps/scripts/etc you regularly use and ma= ke sure they=E2=80=99re supported or you have an option to choose from. Qui= ckTime 7 is officially dead as are all 32bit apps going forward. I=E2=80=99= m guessing you won=E2=80=99t be able to install older versions of AE and Pr= emiere (I=E2=80=99m not sure how far you=E2=80=99ll be able to go back in t= hat regard). If you get a business account at Apple you can save some money (it=E2=80=99= s easy), or use an Apple card (5% off at Apple). I=E2=80=99ve also bought s= everal Macs from Expercom which discounts Apple products (you may have to c= all them to set up an =E2=80=9Caccount=E2=80=9D to see the lower prices on = their webpage. If you can wait a bit they often offer custom build options = with 3rd party RAM that will save you money (I=E2=80=99ve never had a probl= em with their RAM and it=E2=80=99s warranted for a lifetime). They aren=E2= =80=99t listing that as an option yet for these machines though. I=E2=80=99ll be interested to hear how it works for you; I=E2=80=99m sure t= hose apps will be well supported by that machine, although the GPU may be u= nderutilized until they release updates specifically geared for it. Dennis Wilkins =C2=A0| =C2=A0c o d e - c o l l e c t i ve=C2=A0=C2=A0 On Dec 10, 2019, at 1:41 PM, Jim Curtis wrote: In spite of the arguments against it, and I appreciate all the input, pro a= nd con, I still think I=E2=80=99m going to order one. =C2=A0I can be the ca= nary in the coal mine. So my question for the experts is: =C2=A0Since Ae and Pr comprise 99% of my= paying work, what do you think would be better? 16-core 32G RAM (base) Radeon Pro Vega II with 32GB of HBM2 memory (+$2400 over the base GPU) 1 TB SSD $10,799 from Apple. or 24-core 32G RAM (base) Radeon Pro 580X with 8GB of GDDR5 memory (base) 1 TB SSD $12,399 from Apple IOW, fewer cores and better GPU vs. more cores and lesser GPU. I understand this may be unanswerable now, but I wonder whether buying the = base GPU can be replaced (or augmented) with a better 3rd party card later.= =C2=A0Apple=E2=80=99s prices to upgrade the GPUs are stratospheric. I=E2=80=99ll add more RAM later from a 3rd party. =C2=A0Their upgrade to th= e SSD isn=E2=80=99t as obscene as some of their other upgrade options. Again, part of the reason to buy one of these is for tax purposes. =C2=A0I= =E2=80=99m currently working on a 2012 cheese grater that has a hard time w= ith Pr 2020. x +---End of message---+ To unsubscribe send any message to ------=_Part_6556201_1216216512.1576019336287 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Other World Computing (MacSale= s.com) announced that they will be selling RAM for the New Mac Pro too. The= ir RAM is also very good


-----= Original Message-----
From: Dennis Wilkins <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
To: After Effects Mail List <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
Sent: Tue, Dec 10, 2019 5:29 pm
Subject: Re: [AE] We can order a new MacPro tomorrow.


I=E2=80=99d personally get the 16-core one wit= h the better GPU and then get as much RAM as you can afford aftermarket (19= 2GB or better). AE uses a ton of RAM and when it runs out performance can b= e 3X slower or worse (not the possibly 10-25% like we=E2=80=99re talking ab= out with the Mac vs PC debate). I=E2=80=99m not sure how AE uses CPU cores = but it seems like it uses several at 20-50% of their potential, rather than= 1-2 maxed out. I=E2=80=99ve seen old iMacs render AE projects faster than = much faster machines because they had substantially more RAM per thread. Th= e more CPU cores you have, the more RAM you need for AE imo. I=E2=80=99d co= nsider getting a bigger SSD from Apple too - they aren=E2=80=99t that much = more in the big picture.

I haven=E2=80=99t moved to Catalina yet and if= you haven=E2=80=99t just be aware that you need to check what apps/scripts= /etc you regularly use and make sure they=E2=80=99re supported or you have = an option to choose from. QuickTime 7 is officially dead as are all 32bit a= pps going forward. I=E2=80=99m guessing you won=E2=80=99t be able to instal= l older versions of AE and Premiere (I=E2=80=99m not sure how far you=E2=80= =99ll be able to go back in that regard).

If you get a business account at Apple you can= save some money (it=E2=80=99s easy), or use an Apple card (5% off at Apple= ). I=E2=80=99ve also bought several Macs from Expercom which discounts Appl= e products (you may have to call them to set up an =E2=80=9Caccount=E2=80= =9D to see the lower prices on their webpage. If you can wait a bit they of= ten offer custom build options with 3rd party RAM that will save you money = (I=E2=80=99ve never had a problem with their RAM and it=E2=80=99s warranted= for a lifetime). They aren=E2=80=99t listing that as an option yet for the= se machines though.

I=E2=80=99ll be interested to hear how it work= s for you; I=E2=80=99m sure those apps will be well supported by that machi= ne, although the GPU may be underutilized until they release updates specif= ically geared for it.


Dennis Wilkins  |  c o d e - c o l l= e c t i ve  




On Dec 10, 2019, at 1:41 PM, Jim Curtis <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

In spite of the arguments against it, and I ap= preciate all the input, pro and con, I still think I=E2=80=99m going to ord= er one.  I can be the canary in the coal mine.

So my questio= n for the experts is:  Since Ae and Pr comprise 99% of my paying work,= what do you think would be better?

16-core
32G RAM (base)
Radeon Pro Vega II with 32GB of HBM2 memory (+$2400 over the base GPU)1 TB SSD
$10,799 from Apple.

or

24-core
32G RAM (base)
Radeon Pro 580X with 8GB of GDDR5 memory (base)
1 TB SSD
$12,399 from Apple

IOW, fewer cores and better GPU vs. = more cores and lesser GPU.

I understand this may be unanswerable = now, but I wonder whether buying the base GPU can be replaced (or augmented= ) with a better 3rd party card later.  Apple=E2=80=99s prices to upgra= de the GPUs are stratospheric.
I=E2=80=99ll add more RAM later fr= om a 3rd party.  Their upgrade to the SSD isn=E2=80=99t as obscene as = some of their other upgrade options.

Again, part of the reason to= buy one of these is for tax purposes.  I=E2=80=99m currently working = on a 2012 cheese grater that has a hard time with Pr 2020.


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