From: "Dan Velez" Received: from mail-qk1-f176.google.com ([209.85.222.176] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 7477151 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 00:33:40 +0100 Received: by mail-qk1-f176.google.com with SMTP id w127so6267905qkb.11 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 15:33:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=content-transfer-encoding:from:mime-version:subject:date:message-id :references:in-reply-to:to; bh=YMPaGwjFoN2gKr8Nev6lRJxcY+6Gn1trB+ARNqfQdl4=; b=qhCmBCR1SeOOYNm1xHOTU9dpNI3TEAFCFA5zfQFGEFp9TBNMbi9TvLMRImxJeH/7w2 9Im15GiFEmaqKgPFYU05jadqNju5gIsU6+kndHURa6Z8rjfZTnH0MKFzUCbCRqy4a66L fleWTjiTg48TXTifRkj6lHPoCO4CrL0gMJNqbLpnWm4VGmrSUCZf+ALOnuEoKFIdzcYe z3nhkLdJEEWPNyThs67cnITCvr2Rd+curLh/stnZj3xxobSVIv4cDH4rpIGGdh/2nGVv FqPhoTGzP0wig7759Q7bqW3GaJvgJjNMXf0WUiyflh4qS6JeX5XKpzxSScAJ5lwum2V8 vvJQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:content-transfer-encoding:from:mime-version :subject:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to:to; bh=YMPaGwjFoN2gKr8Nev6lRJxcY+6Gn1trB+ARNqfQdl4=; b=ttr8m/Z4VZAg6V9EqLHotMfW9iwOzd5wjRHafNmBAFc4VIDN4rymqbYntfpPVR/9qo 888xXVxObLz/FUKq5yRhYU0B8q7KlFkf1/G/WJf1evNFW5hZG7H3l0rwEsV9all4SGiv lbXj3J7RQ/KQzZHwCmc+7O8h9yRwGdQ331sDqPWQC5b6uAiFWl/tMsG5YFvEfHWjoo/R HM3+YWrXfWJrhSwZoqzPG0AaowVPE7YHyEtaxgIcfBaKqbGxFPhoM4+h8grkIT9yAH/X pz/nfCxuRPN+7YT7540Lclq5NDYAdxwHgqLl6d+DDOD9277kIFMKKRzFzGzsZBHVuAOX agaA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXb2ksgjtVz+pyQXD6jpgNbj1bSw129coHTBQ6t+NETotsxr+PU 80RPqvotMM5jRQEr1YWByuatiIaE X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzPvRVFU5UHEdutH/6DiREGc7DcyM3p21P0SVC23yOpwcOGBk6HCiBVorc5co9G3NoQb5zCvg== X-Received: by 2002:a37:a70b:: with SMTP id q11mr264574qke.393.1576020819075; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 15:33:39 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from [10.12.246.65] ([198.55.26.62]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o20sm18876qka.127.2019.12.10.15.33.38 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 10 Dec 2019 15:33:38 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2F633E57-8791-4AF6-9574-ECA4F769F0EE Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: [AE] We can order a new MacPro tomorrow. Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 18:33:37 -0500 Message-Id: <8B67A9F3-B387-466F-A131-47A3495395CE@gmail.com> References: In-Reply-To: To: After Effects Mail List X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (17C5053a) --Apple-Mail-2F633E57-8791-4AF6-9574-ECA4F769F0EE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Solved https://www.uline.com/Product/Detail/H-1793/Dollies/Solid-Top-Hardwood-Dolly= -30-x-18-4-Casters Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 10, 2019, at 6:01 PM, Chris Zwar wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFNo-one has mentioned the most important part yet: the wheels. In= Aus$ the wheels are $400 extra. That=E2=80=99s $100 each. For a wheel... >=20 >> On 11 Dec 2019, at 9:29 am, Dennis Wilkins wrot= e: >>=20 >>=20 >> I=E2=80=99d personally get the 16-core one with the better GPU and then g= et as much RAM as you can afford aftermarket (192GB or better). AE uses a to= n of RAM and when it runs out performance can be 3X slower or worse (not the= possibly 10-25% like we=E2=80=99re talking about with the Mac vs PC debate)= . I=E2=80=99m not sure how AE uses CPU cores but it seems like it uses sever= al at 20-50% of their potential, rather than 1-2 maxed out. I=E2=80=99ve see= n old iMacs render AE projects faster than much faster machines because they= had substantially more RAM per thread. The more CPU cores you have, the mor= e RAM you need for AE imo. I=E2=80=99d consider getting a bigger SSD from Ap= ple too - they aren=E2=80=99t that much more in the big picture. >>=20 >> I haven=E2=80=99t moved to Catalina yet and if you haven=E2=80=99t just b= e aware that you need to check what apps/scripts/etc you regularly use and m= ake sure they=E2=80=99re supported or you have an option to choose from. Qui= ckTime 7 is officially dead as are all 32bit apps going forward. I=E2=80=99m= guessing you won=E2=80=99t be able to install older versions of AE and Prem= iere (I=E2=80=99m not sure how far you=E2=80=99ll be able to go back in that= regard). >>=20 >> If you get a business account at Apple you can save some money (it=E2=80=99= s easy), or use an Apple card (5% off at Apple). I=E2=80=99ve also bought se= veral Macs from Expercom which discounts Apple products (you may have to cal= l them to set up an =E2=80=9Caccount=E2=80=9D to see the lower prices on the= ir webpage. If you can wait a bit they often offer custom build options with= 3rd party RAM that will save you money (I=E2=80=99ve never had a problem wi= th their RAM and it=E2=80=99s warranted for a lifetime). They aren=E2=80=99t= listing that as an option yet for these machines though. >>=20 >> I=E2=80=99ll be interested to hear how it works for you; I=E2=80=99m sure= those apps will be well supported by that machine, although the GPU may be u= nderutilized until they release updates specifically geared for it. >>=20 >>=20 >> Dennis Wilkins | c o d e - c o l l e c t i ve =20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> On Dec 10, 2019, at 1:41 PM, Jim Curtis wrote:= >>>=20 >>> In spite of the arguments against it, and I appreciate all the input, pr= o and con, I still think I=E2=80=99m going to order one. I can be the canar= y in the coal mine. >>>=20 >>> So my question for the experts is: Since Ae and Pr comprise 99% of my p= aying work, what do you think would be better? >>>=20 >>> 16-core >>> 32G RAM (base) >>> Radeon Pro Vega II with 32GB of HBM2 memory (+$2400 over the base GPU) >>> 1 TB SSD >>> $10,799 from Apple. >>>=20 >>> or >>>=20 >>> 24-core >>> 32G RAM (base) >>> Radeon Pro 580X with 8GB of GDDR5 memory (base) >>> 1 TB SSD >>> $12,399 from Apple >>>=20 >>> IOW, fewer cores and better GPU vs. more cores and lesser GPU. >>>=20 >>> I understand this may be unanswerable now, but I wonder whether buying t= he base GPU can be replaced (or augmented) with a better 3rd party card late= r. Apple=E2=80=99s prices to upgrade the GPUs are stratospheric. >>>=20 >>> I=E2=80=99ll add more RAM later from a 3rd party. Their upgrade to the S= SD isn=E2=80=99t as obscene as some of their other upgrade options. >>>=20 >>> Again, part of the reason to buy one of these is for tax purposes. I=E2= =80=99m currently working on a 2012 cheese grater that has a hard time with P= r 2020. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> x >>> +---End of message---+ >>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-2F633E57-8791-4AF6-9574-ECA4F769F0EE Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Solved

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On Dec 10, 2019, at= 6:01 PM, Chris Zwar <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

=EF=BB=BFNo-one has mentio= ned the most important part yet: the wheels.  In Aus$ the wheels are $4= 00 extra.  That=E2=80=99s $100 each.  For a wheel...

On= 11 Dec 2019, at 9:29 am, Dennis Wilkins <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:


I=E2=80=99d pe= rsonally get the 16-core one with the better GPU and then get as much RAM as= you can afford aftermarket (192GB or better). AE uses a ton of RAM and when= it runs out performance can be 3X slower or worse (not the possibly 10-25% l= ike we=E2=80=99re talking about with the Mac vs PC debate). I=E2=80=99m not s= ure how AE uses CPU cores but it seems like it uses several at 20-50% of the= ir potential, rather than 1-2 maxed out. I=E2=80=99ve seen old iMacs render A= E projects faster than much faster machines because they had substantially m= ore RAM per thread. The more CPU cores you have, the more RAM you need for A= E imo. I=E2=80=99d consider getting a bigger SSD from Apple too - they aren=E2= =80=99t that much more in the big picture.

I haven=E2=80=99t moved to Catalina y= et and if you haven=E2=80=99t just be aware that you need to check what apps= /scripts/etc you regularly use and make sure they=E2=80=99re supported or yo= u have an option to choose from. QuickTime 7 is officially dead as are all 3= 2bit apps going forward. I=E2=80=99m guessing you won=E2=80=99t be able to i= nstall older versions of AE and Premiere (I=E2=80=99m not sure how far you=E2= =80=99ll be able to go back in that regard).

If you get a business account at Apple you can save= some money (it=E2=80=99s easy), or use an Apple card (5% off at Apple). I=E2= =80=99ve also bought several Macs from Expercom which discounts Apple produc= ts (you may have to call them to set up an =E2=80=9Caccount=E2=80=9D to see t= he lower prices on their webpage. If you can wait a bit they often offer cus= tom build options with 3rd party RAM that will save you money (I=E2=80=99ve n= ever had a problem with their RAM and it=E2=80=99s warranted for a lifetime)= . They aren=E2=80=99t listing that as an option yet for these machines thoug= h.

I=E2=80=99ll be= interested to hear how it works for you; I=E2=80=99m sure those apps will b= e well supported by that machine, although the GPU may be underutilized unti= l they release updates specifically geared for it.


Dennis Wilkins &= nbsp;|  c o d e - c o l l e c t i ve  




On Dec 10, 2019, at 1:41 PM, Jim Curtis <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
In spi= te of the arguments against it, and I appreciate all the input, pro and con,= I still think I=E2=80=99m going to order one.  I can be the canary in t= he coal mine.

So my question for the experts is= :  Since Ae and Pr comprise 99% of my paying work, what do you think wo= uld be better?

16-core
32G RAM (b= ase)
Radeon Pro Vega II with 32GB of HBM2 memory (+$2400 over t= he base GPU)
1 TB SSD
$10,799 from Apple.

or

24-core
32G RAM (base)
Radeon Pro 580X with 8GB of GDDR5 memory (base= )
1 TB SSD
$12,399 from Apple

IOW, fewer cores and better GPU vs. more cores and lesser GPU.

I understand this may be unanswerable now, but I wo= nder whether buying the base GPU can be replaced (or augmented) with a bette= r 3rd party card later.  Apple=E2=80=99s prices to upgrade the GPUs are= stratospheric.

I=E2=80=99ll add more RAM later= from a 3rd party.  Their upgrade to the SSD isn=E2=80=99t as obscene a= s some of their other upgrade options.

Again, p= art of the reason to buy one of these is for tax purposes.  I=E2=80=99m= currently working on a 2012 cheese grater that has a hard time with Pr 2020= .


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