From: "David Torno" Received: from jax4mhob15.registeredsite.com ([64.69.218.103] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 7477676 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 02:56:36 +0100 Received: from atl4oxapp106 ([10.30.71.143]) by jax4mhob15.registeredsite.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id xBC1uX1p109722 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA256 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 20:56:33 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 17:56:32 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: David Torno To: After Effects Mail List Message-ID: <156342614.39047.1576115793179@webmail.networksolutionsemail.com> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [AE] Complaint Numbers Effect MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_39046_2049721393.1576115793156" X-Priority: 3 Importance: Medium X-Mailer: Open-Xchange Mailer v7.10.0-Rev28 X-Originating-Client: open-xchange-appsuite ------=_Part_39046_2049721393.1576115793156 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Adobe has already had a long track record of either buying up 3rd party to = fold in (CC, Keylight, etc...) or not bothering to work on lesser priority = areas if existing solutions are already out there. This shouldn=E2=80=99t b= e a surprise to a veteran user like yourself at this point. A frame counter is so trivial and is made so easily in a number of ways. Don=E2=80=99t want to spend money on more advanced 3rd party solutions, tha= t=E2=80=99s totally fine. That very reason is why I chose to proactively gr= ow my knowledge as an individual ages ago, versus waiting behind and hoping= a corporation would come around to fix all my trivial problems. You've alr= eady figured out one way with the precomp solution. Ideal, no. Does it get = the job done, yes. My suggestion with expression works just fine too and ac= tually allows more flexibility for you since you can use a mono spaced font= (or not, the option exists), scale the font size to as large as you like. = It also allows you to change the starting number value, and set as many zer= os you like. Do the work once and make a preset, then it becomes one click. In it's most basic form After Effects already has the expression setup as a= n Animation Preset. Just open the Effects panel and search for =E2=80=9CFra= me Number=E2=80=9D in the Animation Presets. Drag that into your comp and y= ou get a super basic frame counter. A more advanced setup to address your padding concerns would be like this. = You can copy and paste this into the "Source Text" property expression of a= TextLayer. // COPY EVERYTHING BELOW HERE... var numberLength =3D 5; var startingNumber =3D 0; var frame =3D timeToFrames()+startingNumber; var dif =3D (numberLength-frame.toString().length); var pad =3D ""; var result =3D frame;; if(dif < numberLength){ for(var i=3D0; i=20 > Lloyd=20 >=20 > On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 6:06 PM Timothy Sassoon < AE-List@media-motio= n.tv mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv > wrote: >=20 > > > It sounds like you=E2=80=99re saying that you=E2=80= =99re fine with AE=E2=80=99s built-in effects rusting in the yard like wash= ing machines and old cars, because that provides 3rd party developers with = a market to exploit. Pardon me, but I find that a little problematic for co= mmercial software, that it=E2=80=99s developers are short-selling it. If it= was Blender or GIMP or whatever that might be a different thing. > >=20 > > Tim Sassoon > > SFD > > Venice, CA > > On Dec 11, 2019, 2:05 PM -0800, Lloyd Alvarez < AE-List@media-m= otion.tv mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv >, wrote: > >=20 > > > > > Hey Tim > > >=20 > > > > And PS you don=E2=80=99t get monospaced with leading ze= ros that way :-) > > >=20 > > > You know we have a solution for this as well ;-)=20 > > >=20 > > > https://aescripts.com/monospacer/ > > >=20 > > > > I appreciate your industry, but BASIC frame number burn= -ins should be correct in the app, without having to pay $24.95 additionall= y for it. More sophisticated usage as you illustrate, sure. > > >=20 > > > This is my biased opiniopn of course, but what's importan= t to you is not important to other AE users so the fact that AE has this 3r= d party expandability is what makes it great and has kept it relevant after= all these years ;-) > > >=20 > > > Cheers, > > > Lloyd > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 3:01 PM Timothy Sassoon < AE-List= @media-motion.tv mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv > wrote: > > >=20 > > > > > > > And PS you don=E2=80=99t get = monospaced with leading zeros that way :-) > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > > Tim Sassoon > > > > SFD > > > > Venice, CA > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > On Dec 11, 2019, = at 11:19 AM, David Torno < AE-List@media-motion.tv mailto:AE-List@media-mot= ion.tv > wrote: > > > > >=20 > > > > > No need for precomps. Add text layer, add exp= ression to source text property, and choose timeToFrames from preset arrow = drop down. > > > > >=20 > > > > > Done. > > > > >=20 > > > > > You can use any font in AE now and size. > > > > >=20 > > > > > David Torno > > > > > 818.391.6060 > > > > > -------------------- > > > > > https://vimeo.com/davidtorno (experiments & b= reakdowns) > > > > > https://gumroad.com/davidtorno (products for = sale) > > > > > http://provideocoalition.com/author/dtorno (t= utorials) > > > > >=20 > > > > > "The most useless day is that in which we do = not laugh" > > > > > -Charles Field > > > > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 11, 2019, at 10:47 AM,= Timothy Sassoon < AE-List@media-motion.tv mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv >= wrote: > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > Complaint and FR - The Numbers effect t= ype size is limited to 128pt. I=E2=80=99m putting the request here, since I= was bounced from the AE beta list a years ago. > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > With today=E2=80=99s frame sizes that= =E2=80=99s often absurd SMALL, and one has to jump through precomp hoops to= scale it big enough to be useful; current project 400%. How about 999 poin= ts maximum? That might keep us for a few years. > > > > > >=20 > > > > > >=20 > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > Tim Sassoon > > > > > > SFD > > > > > > Venice, CA 90291 > > > > > > +---End of message---+ > > > > > > To unsubscribe send any message to < ae= -list-off@media-motion.tv mailto:ae-list-off@media-motion.tv > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > +---End of message---+ > > > > > To unsubscribe send any message to < ae-list-= off@media-motion.tv mailto:ae-list-off@media-motion.tv > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > > > > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > -- > Cheers, Lloyd >=20 -- David Torno 818.391.6060 ------------------------------------------------ http://vimeo.com/davidtorno(sample work & vfx breakdowns) http://provideocoalition.com/dtorno(tutorials) https://gumroad.com/davidtorno(templates/media/etc for sale) "The most useless day is that in which we do not laugh" -Charles Field ------=_Part_39046_2049721393.1576115793156 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 =20
Adobe has already had a long track record of either buying up 3rd party = to fold in (CC, Keylight, etc...) or not bothering to work on lesser priori= ty areas if existing solutions are already out there. This shouldn=E2=80=99= t be a surprise to a veteran user like yourself at this point.
A frame counter is so trivial and is made so easily in a number of w= ays.

Don=E2=80=99t want to spend money on more advanced 3rd party solutio= ns, that=E2=80=99s totally fine. That very reason is why I chose to proacti= vely grow my knowledge as an individual ages ago, versus waiting behind and= hoping a corporation would come around to fix all my trivial problems. You= 've already figured out one way with the precomp solution. Ideal, no. Does = it get the job done, yes. My suggestion with expression works just fine too= and actually allows more flexibility for you since you can use a mono spac= ed font (or not, the option exists), scale the font size to as large as you= like. It also allows you to change the starting number value, and set as m= any zeros you like. Do the work once and make a preset, then it becomes one= click.

In it's most basic form After Effects already has the expression setup = as an Animation Preset. Just open the Effects panel and search for =E2=80= =9CFrame Number=E2=80=9D in the Animation Presets. Drag that into your comp= and you get a super basic frame counter.

A more advanced setup to address your padding concerns would be like th= is. You can copy and paste this into the "Source Text" property expression = of a TextLayer.

// COPY EVERYTHING BELOW HERE...
var numberLength =3D 5;
var startingNumber =3D 0;
var frame =3D timeToFrames()+startingNumber;
var dif =3D (numberLength-frame.toString().length);
var pad =3D "";
var result =3D frame;;
if(dif < numberLength){
for(var i=3D0; i<dif; i++){
pad +=3D "0";
}
result =3D pad+frame;
}
result;
//...AND ABOVE HERE.

Don't like to type numbers manually into the expression? Totally fine, = that's why AE has Expression controls. Just add two Expression Sliders to t= he TextLayer and just pickwhip one slider to the numberLength variable and = the other slider to the startingNumber variable.

var numberLength =3D PICKWHIP SLIDER 1 TO HERE;
var startingNumber =3D PICKWHIP SLIDER 2 TO HERE;


Still wanna holdout on Adobe fixing something this trivial? You may wan= t to keep in mind that AE users have been suggesting the timeToFrames expre= ssion solution since at least 2005, if not earlier.


but who knows maybe it requires a 15 year work process to figure out. ;= -)


On December 11, 2019 at 4:19 PM Lloyd Alvarez <AE-List@media-motion.t= v> wrote:=20
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hey tim

not at all, what i am saying is that one of the things that makes AE gr= eat is that you don't have to wait or rely on Adobe to do and fix everythin= g. Would you rather pay a small amount for a tool that solves your issue or= keep waiting for Adobe to fix it?

Lloyd 

On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 6:06 PM Timothy Sassoon <=20 AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:=20
It sounds like you=E2=80=99re saying that you=E2=80=99re fine with= AE=E2=80=99s built-in effects rusting in the yard like washing machines an= d old cars, because that provides 3rd party developers with a market to exp= loit. Pardon me, but I find that a little problematic for commercial softwa= re, that it=E2=80=99s developers are short-selling it. If it was Blender or= GIMP or whatever that might be a different thing.

Tim Sassoon=20
SFD=20
Venice, CA
On Dec 11, 2019, 2:05 PM -0800, Lloyd Alvarez <=20 AE-List@media-motion.tv>, wrote:=20
Hey Tim

> And PS you don=E2=80=99t get monospaced with leading zeros = that way :-)

You know we have a solution for this as well ;-) 


> I appreciate your industry, but BASIC frame number burn-ins= should be correct in the app, without having to pay $24.95 additionally fo= r it. More sophisticated usage as you illustrate, sure.

This is my biased opiniopn of course, but what's important to yo= u is not important to other AE users so the fact that AE has this 3rd party= expandability is what makes it great and has kept it relevant after all th= ese years ;-)

Cheers,
Lloyd


On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 3:01 PM Timothy Sassoon <=20 AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:=20
And PS you don=E2=80=99t get monospaced with leading zeros that= way :-)


Tim Sassoon
SFD
Venice, CA

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On Dec 11, 2019, at 11:19 AM, David Torno <=20 AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

No need for precomps. Add text layer, add expression to so= urce text property, and choose timeToFrames from preset arrow drop down.=20
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Done.=20
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You can use any font in AE now and size.=20
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David Torno=20
818.391.6060=20
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=20 https://vimeo.com/davidtorno (experiments & break= downs)=20
=20 https://gumroad.com/davidtorno (products for sale)= =20
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"The most useless day is that in which we do not laug= h"=20
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On Dec 11, 2019, at 10:47 AM, Timothy Sassoon <=20 AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:=20
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Complaint and FR - The Numbers effect type size is l= imited to 128pt. I=E2=80=99m putting the request here, since I was bounced = from the AE beta list a years ago.=20
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With today=E2=80=99s frame sizes that=E2=80=99s ofte= n absurd SMALL, and one has to jump through precomp hoops to scale it big e= nough to be useful; current project 400%. How about 999 points maximum? Tha= t might keep us for a few years.=20
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