From: "Greg Balint" Received: from mail-yw1-f66.google.com ([209.85.161.66] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 7477720 for ae-list@media-motion.tv; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 14:52:40 +0100 Received: by mail-yw1-f66.google.com with SMTP id l22so764357ywc.8 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 05:52:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:in-reply-to:references :user-agent; bh=f9RyJvmGxyHVILLJXKmAU7bjirx50hZDYC0XyTARhWs=; b=jWl6SjX5GVI4ad2VPe38t2M+GbVejHoUp+GqqgrIu19obGr2w13So3iZRMRtudQkoU Dff4kQ4kzzQ2sjhxSwqI+qVzYTQfU+Ri7hU+lV3HZuEnqcdJURDtgnytSz9VPOlmb2l+ VWyajRUg+MQia/4B8TKK5RTV6XXwPtsoEvCrpbIfPUMyjntwqGv10u2kDppsPuqrAdip sVOP4JoxqWuZIWCtqHuHolMFMqc+g+NQzvvY0wN1AlED9WVauepQAM+PmjiiVVElBoGn yd9WpzWLpOvmVRk9zPM/Y5UaaXqj2qkIQJzW/qPhPBGB1OxzY4i7qYj3CsArvlAeXJJH dHrg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :in-reply-to:references:user-agent; bh=f9RyJvmGxyHVILLJXKmAU7bjirx50hZDYC0XyTARhWs=; b=Y/ZJnh1n5eqBD9sKkC5tS2WNUEYvXsqPyuApOoSRWYITkaoTSDvXJfvOS77x6so1HO a1mdeZc2A9kso1KnuvJiggmTTj3OrHdkbxflq/2mwoZVhcd7/cFf31S/+Jpi583PMZg3 UZwXXBe3YyOb0P1tAQk/wGoCssi+xMwkpUDzN4JFktJHKcXUI7yoeCXhhaUbgmTudSFM pD5MqFMkR09UU2d7ncMkJlre7nopkhM0gTvi7jamG3xs2EXmQ431gVGexdRUooSbDqXu Ab/AWKSl+DCfQsTMFCvf5fInb0M3DCRDM39LGkwJFGEBVIkNnKpA3NDS3M05WmSWVcKs i5XQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAW2b1VNlj/4TIK8l9FAK8EKiVcJYouCi7UCOrgiak9OggApcHfC pd2n5k0d2Mea4YOy/uz2NAJ5ntll X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyhikhdXukkkiZ/++tE8JHHa4JIT71KbC9eQ7VzjNltvypgMG3wVXDh1PqjbiQBpwnNtHujOQ== X-Received: by 2002:a0d:c806:: with SMTP id k6mr358541ywd.339.1576158757732; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 05:52:37 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from [192.168.1.17] (host-204-93-105-152.JENOLT4.epbfi.com. [204.93.105.152]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u11sm2533279ywb.67.2019.12.12.05.52.36 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 12 Dec 2019 05:52:36 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_40775448.995108615387" MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2019 08:52:15 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] Complaint Numbers Effect To: "angie" In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Mailbird/2.7.5.0 X-Mailbird-ID: Mailbird-05a11e6c-282b-4e36-83a8-cba25b5d9287@gmail.com ------=_NextPart_40775448.995108615387 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Maybe I'm not understanding the true need Tim has here, but I have a few op= tions to throw in the hat as well.=C2=A0 First off - There's a Timecode effect already in AE, that can size up to 10= 24.. Has a bunch of options and even proportional spacing. Second, this little free animation preset I found a little while ago does a= nice job and uses the more robust text animation system, so there's a lot = more you can do with it. https://www.behance.net/gallery/41370141/CounterPro-Free-AE-Preset [https:/= /www.behance.net/gallery/41370141/CounterPro-Free-AE-Preset] Hope this helps as well. ///Greg Balint //Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer /321.514.4839 delRAZOR.com [http://www.delrazor.com/]/ On 12/11/2019 8:57:13 PM, David Torno wrote: Adobe has already had a long track record of either buying up 3rd party to = fold in (CC, Keylight, etc...) or not bothering to work on lesser priority = areas if existing solutions are already out there. This shouldn=E2=80=99t b= e a surprise to a veteran user like yourself at this point. A frame counter is so trivial and is made so easily in a number of ways. Don=E2=80=99t want to spend money on more advanced 3rd party solutions, tha= t=E2=80=99s totally fine. That very reason is why I chose to proactively gr= ow my knowledge as an individual ages ago, versus waiting behind and hoping= a corporation would come around to fix all my trivial problems. You've alr= eady figured out one way with the precomp solution. Ideal, no. Does it get = the job done, yes. My suggestion with expression works just fine too and ac= tually allows more flexibility for you since you can use a mono spaced font= (or not, the option exists), scale the font size to as large as you like. = It also allows you to change the starting number value, and set as many zer= os you like. Do the work once and make a preset, then it becomes one click. In it's most basic form After Effects already has the expression setup as a= n Animation Preset. Just open the Effects panel and search for =E2=80=9CFra= me Number=E2=80=9D in the Animation Presets. Drag that into your comp and y= ou get a super basic frame counter. A more advanced setup to address your padding concerns would be like this. = You can copy and paste this into the "Source Text" property expression of a= TextLayer. // COPY EVERYTHING BELOW HERE... var numberLength =3D 5; var startingNumber =3D 0; var frame =3D timeToFrames()+startingNumber; var dif =3D (numberLength-frame.toString().length); var pad =3D ""; var result =3D frame;; if(dif < numberLength){ for(var i=3D0; i wrote: It sounds like you=E2=80=99re saying that you=E2=80=99re fine with AE=E2=80= =99s built-in effects rusting in the yard like washing machines and old car= s, because that provides 3rd party developers with a market to exploit. Par= don me, but I find that a little problematic for commercial software, that = it=E2=80=99s developers are short-selling it. If it was Blender or GIMP or = whatever that might be a different thing. Tim Sassoon SFD Venice, CA On Dec 11, 2019, 2:05 PM -0800, Lloyd Alvarez < AE-List@media-motion.tv [ma= ilto:AE-List@media-motion.tv]>, wrote: Hey Tim > And PS you don=E2=80=99t get monospaced with leading zeros that way :-) You know we have a solution for this as well ;-)=C2=A0 https://aescripts.com/monospacer/ [https://aescripts.com/monospacer/] > I appreciate your industry, but BASIC frame number burn-ins should be cor= rect in the app, without having to pay $24.95 additionally for it. More sop= histicated usage as you illustrate, sure. This is my biased opiniopn of course, but what's important to you is not im= portant to other AE users so the fact that AE has this 3rd party expandabil= ity is what makes it great and has kept it relevant after all these years ;= -) Cheers, Lloyd On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 3:01 PM Timothy Sassoon < AE-List@media-motion.tv [= mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv]> wrote: And PS you don=E2=80=99t get monospaced with leading zeros that way :-) Tim Sassoon SFD Venice, CA On Dec 11, 2019, at 11:19 AM, David Torno < AE-List@media-motion.tv [mailto= :AE-List@media-motion.tv]> wrote: No need for precomps. Add text layer, add expression to source text propert= y, and choose timeToFrames from preset arrow drop down. Done. You can use any font in AE now and size. David Torno 818.391.6060 -------------------- https://vimeo.com/davidtorno [https://vimeo.com/davidtorno] (experiments & = breakdowns) https://gumroad.com/davidtorno [https://gumroad.com/davidtorno] (products f= or sale) http://provideocoalition.com/author/dtorno [http://provideocoalition.com/au= thor/dtorno] (tutorials) "The most useless day is that in which we do not laugh" -Charles Field On Dec 11, 2019, at 10:47 AM, Timothy Sassoon < AE-List@media-motion.tv [ma= ilto:AE-List@media-motion.tv]> wrote: Complaint and FR - The Numbers effect type size is limited to 128pt. I=E2= =80=99m putting the request here, since I was bounced from the AE beta list= a years ago. With today=E2=80=99s frame sizes that=E2=80=99s often absurd SMALL, and one= has to jump through precomp hoops to scale it big enough to be useful; cur= rent project 400%. How about 999 points maximum? That might keep us for a f= ew years. Tim Sassoon SFD Venice, CA 90291 +---End of message---+ To unsubscribe send any message to < ae-list-off@media-motion.tv [mailto:ae= -list-off@media-motion.tv]> +---End of message---+ To unsubscribe send any message to < ae-list-off@media-motion.tv [mailto:ae= -list-off@media-motion.tv]> -- Cheers, Lloyd =C2=A0 -- David Torno 818.391.6060 ------------------------------------------------ http://vimeo.com/davidtorno [http://vimeo.com/davidtorno](sample work & vfx= breakdowns) http://provideocoalition.com/dtorno [http://provideocoalition.com/dtorno](t= utorials) https://gumroad.com/davidtorno [https://gumroad.com/davidtorno](templates/m= edia/etc for sale) "The most useless day is that in which we do not laugh" -Charles Field ------=_NextPart_40775448.995108615387 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Maybe I'm not understanding the tru= e need Tim has here, but I have a few options to throw in the hat as well.&= nbsp;

First off - There's a Timecode effect already in A= E, that can size up to 1024.. Has a bunch of options and even proportional = spacing.

Second, this little free animation preset= I found a little while ago does a nice job and uses the more robust text a= nimation system, so there's a lot more you can do with it.



Hope this helps as wel= l.


///Greg Balint<= br>//Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer
/321.514.4839
delRAZOR.com/

On 1= 2/11/2019 8:57:13 PM, David Torno <ae-list@media-motion.tv> wrote:

Adobe has already had a long track record of either buying up 3rd party = to fold in (CC, Keylight, etc...) or not bothering to work on lesser priori= ty areas if existing solutions are already out there. This shouldn=E2=80=99= t be a surprise to a veteran user like yourself at this point.
A frame counter is so trivial and is made so easily in a number of w= ays.

Don=E2=80=99t want to spend money on more advanced 3rd party solutio= ns, that=E2=80=99s totally fine. That very reason is why I chose to proacti= vely grow my knowledge as an individual ages ago, versus waiting behind and= hoping a corporation would come around to fix all my trivial problems. You= 've already figured out one way with the precomp solution. Ideal, no. Does = it get the job done, yes. My suggestion with expression works just fine too= and actually allows more flexibility for you since you can use a mono spac= ed font (or not, the option exists), scale the font size to as large as you= like. It also allows you to change the starting number value, and set as m= any zeros you like. Do the work once and make a preset, then it becomes one= click.

In it's most basic form After Effects already has the expression setup = as an Animation Preset. Just open the Effects panel and search for =E2=80= =9CFrame Number=E2=80=9D in the Animation Presets. Drag that into your comp= and you get a super basic frame counter.

A more advanced setup to address your padding concerns would be like th= is. You can copy and paste this into the "Source Text" property expression = of a TextLayer.

// COPY EVERYTHING BELOW HERE...
var numberLength =3D 5;
var startingNumber =3D 0;
var frame =3D timeToFrames()+startingNumber;
var dif =3D (numberLength-frame.toString().length);
var pad =3D "";
var result =3D frame;;
if(dif < numberLength){
for(var i=3D0; i<dif; i++){
pad +=3D "0";
}
result =3D pad+frame;
}
result;
//...AND ABOVE HERE.

Don't like to type numbers manually into the expression? Totally fine, = that's why AE has Expression controls. Just add two Expression Sliders to t= he TextLayer and just pickwhip one slider to the numberLength variable and = the other slider to the startingNumber variable.

var numberLength =3D PICKWHIP SLIDER 1 TO HERE;
var startingNumber =3D PICKWHIP SLIDER 2 TO HERE;


Still wanna holdout on Adobe fixing something this trivial? You may wan= t to keep in mind that AE users have been suggesting the timeToFrames expre= ssion solution since at least 2005, if not earlier.


but who knows maybe it requires a 15 year work process to figure out. ;= -)


On December 11, 2019 at 4:19 PM Lloyd Alvarez <AE-List@media-motion.t= v> wrote:

hey tim

not at all, what i am saying is that one of the things that makes AE gr= eat is that you don't have to wait or rely on Adobe to do and fix everythin= g. Would you rather pay a small amount for a tool that solves your issue or= keep waiting for Adobe to fix it?

Lloyd 

On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 6:06 PM Timothy Sassoon < AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
It sounds like you=E2=80=99re saying that you=E2=80=99re fine with= AE=E2=80=99s built-in effects rusting in the yard like washing machines an= d old cars, because that provides 3rd party developers with a market to exp= loit. Pardon me, but I find that a little problematic for commercial softwa= re, that it=E2=80=99s developers are short-selling it. If it was Blender or= GIMP or whatever that might be a different thing.

Tim Sassoon
SFD
Venice, CA
On Dec 11, 2019, 2:05 PM -0800, Lloyd Alvarez < AE-List@media-motion.tv>, wrote:
Hey Tim

> And PS you don=E2=80=99t get monospaced with leading zeros = that way :-)

You know we have a solution for this as well ;-) 


> I appreciate your industry, but BASIC frame number burn-ins= should be correct in the app, without having to pay $24.95 additionally fo= r it. More sophisticated usage as you illustrate, sure.

This is my biased opiniopn of course, but what's important to yo= u is not important to other AE users so the fact that AE has this 3rd party= expandability is what makes it great and has kept it relevant after all th= ese years ;-)

Cheers,
Lloyd


On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 3:01 PM Timothy Sassoon < AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
And PS you don=E2=80=99t get monospaced with leading zeros that= way :-)


Tim Sassoon
SFD
Venice, CA



On Dec 11, 2019, at 11:19 AM, David Torno < AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

No need for precomps. Add text layer, add expression to so= urce text property, and choose timeToFrames from preset arrow drop down.

Done.

You can use any font in AE now and size.

David Torno
818.391.6060
--------------------
https://vimeo.com/davidtorno (experiments & break= downs)
https://gumroad.com/davidtorno (products for sale)
http://provideocoalition.com/author/dtorno<= /a> (tutorials)

"The most useless day is that in which we do not laug= h"
-Charles Field

On Dec 11, 2019, at 10:47 AM, Timothy Sassoon < AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

Complaint and FR - The Numbers effect type size is l= imited to 128pt. I=E2=80=99m putting the request here, since I was bounced = from the AE beta list a years ago.

With today=E2=80=99s frame sizes that=E2=80=99s ofte= n absurd SMALL, and one has to jump through precomp hoops to scale it big e= nough to be useful; current project 400%. How about 999 points maximum? Tha= t might keep us for a few years.



Tim Sassoon
SFD
Venice, CA 90291
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