From: "Jim Curtis" Received: from sonic302-25.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com ([98.137.68.151] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 7478130 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 21:53:32 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=flash.net; s=s2048; t=1576184009; bh=cbgY+nhQU2Xqel5GhDhuYV/8zlcxukyom9pAFIfa7hk=; h=From:Subject:Date:References:To:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=UoxZk0QEG66BrjlAsUW/zPbvSN3MV6wIUiQXP4/SeHDN+9Q14QaTH+5fiX0NUrmgzhihDN0JT3lnsHz+ipPPrEtzSpkWHlq5DOmqkteQ6wERdhSbP1ZY3Kxd0I3ukYk1WR6A0JKq2uHW/cJ3fI/pdP0+Tp+saHQ9bXaZ/s+IxYCG9wGF169Y+6vQyLiRLfzQbB84IwDwCwZw1oJR7KDnfQGEWNp3PHc2QjvVQ/rQdSGlXT4W82Qd08TqKpXtRkDdREmB0nrLOXXdNl9qdZktqRtbJoPIAbpgzfKgVO/8nIG7JdPl4t/AlOtlD+CJY9EwQjTujuAsSuf+v6lmANTH4Q== X-YMail-OSG: HBw.BXwVM1m4e44FkDYxPu1XxqGdwhbO95mb8UMDlUTVOnu95Q9flY2.RPnMngU 5j6SBdMwu_hKCUQl_Tl.YLKW9u_mnuXRxIPZtP.SkLFj25cibJ1qC2bC_yBfbOpr4kW_eZYUmkg7 6tpMbDlSzJ93whgwieWzhikUm98yO50UTjAaemnQXEtPKcTEj0_XBHB5Amd4oKkBT6ybX4qvAz77 ZxI1Y72wu_9B4ekd.J.8drZ2HPWFwby.Z8cGGfQH4edTiA1N6NiBpZOQmfiuIFCoH4mYFgq9aEZU 1noAtf.v96f_cTRK3q4spIrd_3SBk8J_0.OW68KJT6IiCwicfof.zlqQGHI0klpznZJygV.OhreV nGwuUBDPaTKFShM58ozb9puBQjmH3Y8Sks1M_s8y7H5NSwIUk_srQ.PMJIsjIz7DmeIzpNR_Zdvp 0.v3W2hQPwf7BNewOE5HTqIUKIfpvKzfFGuiaUBjV.bjslMtalBJp3DGnrfwKpfX5PlEX8R0c_wU F8H6aWZlL0ac83pd9VncC4Nm5hWjBYNG8fyKSQ_IZjMcTNH.eDxs.LRwxOYug2EtomfoeEpqnazm Q.7IgnvAQ8F9CBM6ToDsR4XTPx53gtW00ApxOtpkCFxV6FxveQWzAixpN_WsZlRLhd1DWwdSVyav 6NbN8YSIjz6rkkCeIQF0Wo4mRT6bxF0uFr8Jv5M6ZaSPniJQXhIREiDd3yZH4F6KrBDdd54byDW6 j.39984IpAsPpLjZXl1jZi7.7hQe5N6Q1B3De3MRXzBVdZStLL.V2yub7uTeOsA_stLeznEiZ8lx F7o0ufploF4a7gcqTRXcg8BfHNzO6UvLQNRSB8QzpTOlLOxPANCOeAwcuFUCO.bqp5HDEzpcau3E Yam6rnKvvRWpLIXhf9Yok1pZ7GqBpaQuDdx4JygMZyZuytEgn1pU29fq0wHL0.mWUGFHzeLYe2Hd UQbk9GL7EH5xz8y7VyeYnj5lKJyg1041c8lvhlpIxGI3X7Ldg.ji3s2hYfL_qJ3M2nARZnijDoOq B1xj_QU.7S6Q8hGjL9cnfsfxyQh6BajPePHxS4dNv0YLbVfJ_qsXm8MjgrCaxEYPnvHhVKX2bi.9 qD2iuM0wH8FH5GOIpn41ocmdARkEW4sPkglhUiUJoiMoyhkZpIpEEI10fgpbl362xvZncchnkIL8 ZFPcKlRk20662jXu93J8oUkD6CZxufLj1YgOsCPOPHkXBGpp9TbLp2mU4RceUIJ5URF4ETkIy6GE nyx_K_AiZ3whyONzXuvgdmJdrD_dwnnD5bPEqIAMowXo.T6cTFjOJNPAKTN0dUh5PQaxyC5gP6.7 .TrSp.lvLJl5tEraQgMHwhUHZx5BtQKxRoKdFXFWY86QOpylpaQ.yKbCkPU1pEvMsfcGnnorxDMw kNQmotU1A7MHBie6wYEMTtzuKJq_IvoPsVTbsh4TB2Cd3H_srJQ-- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic302.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 20:53:29 +0000 Received: by smtp405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 9d5d22db9d93848891e695604bbb5f9b; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 20:53:25 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_19496E4E-54AA-4DD8-B45D-678EA17630D4" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Subject: Re: [AE] Complaint Numbers Effect Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2019 14:53:23 -0600 References: To: After Effects Mail List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <91B8B299-53F8-47AE-BA5D-14B5A6DBD87B@flash.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Content-Length: 22479 --Apple-Mail=_19496E4E-54AA-4DD8-B45D-678EA17630D4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Premiere has a useful time-code effect if that=E2=80=99s what you need. = It can display sequence time or the clip source time-code. I use it a = lot for interviews where my clients are picking takes, and sending me = ins and outs to use in edits. I figure if you have Ae, you probably have Premiere, too, right? > On Dec 12, 2019, at 1:58 PM, Timothy Sassoon = wrote: >=20 > Unfortunately for Adobe, my first step for data burn-in is to launch = Resolve, which has a whole panel devoted to the subject with tons of = useful options and no point size limits that I=E2=80=99ve run into, that = I can apply to a ton of different comps in a single action. = Unfortunately for BMD, Resolve is a nightmare for dealing with mixed = frame rates and very large, arbitrarily-sized comps. Unfortunately for = Adobe, the 2GB Comp size limit and Resolve=E2=80=99s secondary selection = tools=E2=80=A6 And on and on. >=20 > But, these days I=E2=80=99m working in Resolve and elsewhere so much = that I can=E2=80=99t remember where all the fool scripts are and what = their names are. Nor do I want to remember. The job of a GUI is to guide = me toward best practices; hI shouldn=E2=80=99t NEED to remember. Having = to logically deconstruct the situation and build up a solution brick by = brick is a nodal/CL approach that if I was generally disposed to, I = would be long ago off to Nuke and Fusion land without looking back. >=20 >=20 > Tim Sassoon > SFD > Venice, CA >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On Dec 12, 2019, at 11:15 AM, David Torno > wrote: >>=20 >> Lol, Steve, literally this particular basic expression (literally = typing 14 characters) is setup to be the same step as adding an fx = plugin. One click and drag. >>=20 >> Search =E2=80=9CFrame Number=E2=80=9D in the stock Animation Presets. >>=20 >> If people want bells and whistles, then yes there are more steps. The = point being is that solutions do exist, and no they really are not = complicated, just confusing if you refuse to learn some simple things, = but I get that some people just want an easy button. Which quite frankly = is possible too if you use ExtendScript. It can be a button click. >>=20 >> The alternative is to keep filing a feature request and hope Adobe = gets enough requests for it to do something about it. Until then the = vast pool of 3rd party developers fill that gap and put a lot of = developing effort into making useful tools. We all know time is money, = so those tools are not always going to be free. I=E2=80=99ve given free = solutions (not only here but over the past 10 years) and Lloyd has = provided fancier paid solutions (for nearly the same amount of time). = Many options exist to fix this frame counter burnin problem currently. = If people don=E2=80=99t like any of them, then I guess you are = stuck....by choice. >>=20 >> David Torno >> 818.391.6060 >> -------------------- >> https://vimeo.com/davidtorno = (experiments & breakdowns) >> https://gumroad.com/davidtorno = (products for sale) >> http://provideocoalition.com/author/dtorno = (tutorials) >>=20 >> "The most useless day is that in which we do not laugh" >> -Charles Field >>=20 >>> On Dec 12, 2019, at 9:42 AM, Steve Oakley > wrote: >>>=20 >>> too complicated. too annoying. data burn in is a basic need for some = folks.=20 >>>=20 >>> S >>>=20 >>>> On Dec 11, 2019, at 1:19 PM, David Torno = wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> No need for precomps. Add text layer, add expression to source text = property, and choose timeToFrames from preset arrow drop down.=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Done. >>>>=20 >>>> You can use any font in AE now and size. >>>>=20 >>>> David Torno >>>> 818.391.6060 >>>> -------------------- >>>> https://vimeo.com/davidtorno (experiments & breakdowns) >>>> https://gumroad.com/davidtorno (products for sale) >>>> http://provideocoalition.com/author/dtorno (tutorials) >>>>=20 >>>> "The most useless day is that in which we do not laugh" >>>> -Charles Field >>>>=20 >>>>> On Dec 11, 2019, at 10:47 AM, Timothy Sassoon = wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> Complaint and FR - The Numbers effect type size is limited to = 128pt. I=E2=80=99m putting the request here, since I was bounced from = the AE beta list a years ago. >>>>>=20 >>>>> With today=E2=80=99s frame sizes that=E2=80=99s often absurd = SMALL, and one has to jump through precomp hoops to scale it big enough = to be useful; current project 400%. How about 999 points maximum? That = might keep us for a few years. >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Tim Sassoon >>>>> SFD >>>>> Venice, CA 90291 >>>>> +---End of message---+ >>>>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> +---End of message---+ >>>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> +---End of message---+ >>> To unsubscribe send any message to > >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> +---End of message---+ >> To unsubscribe send any message to > >=20 >=20 > +---End of message---+ > To unsubscribe send any message to > --Apple-Mail=_19496E4E-54AA-4DD8-B45D-678EA17630D4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Premiere has a useful time-code effect if that=E2=80=99s what = you need.  It can display sequence time or the clip source = time-code.  I use it a lot for interviews where my clients are = picking takes, and sending me ins and outs to use in edits.

I figure if you have Ae, = you probably have Premiere, too, right?


On Dec 12, 2019, at 1:58 PM, = Timothy Sassoon <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

Unfortunately for Adobe, my = first step for data burn-in is to launch Resolve, which has a whole = panel devoted to the subject with tons of useful options and no point = size limits that I=E2=80=99ve run into, that I can apply to a ton of = different comps in a single action. Unfortunately for BMD, Resolve is a = nightmare for dealing with mixed frame rates and very large, = arbitrarily-sized comps. Unfortunately for Adobe, the 2GB Comp size = limit and Resolve=E2=80=99s secondary selection tools=E2=80=A6 And on = and on.

But, these = days I=E2=80=99m working in Resolve and elsewhere so much that I can=E2=80= =99t remember where all the fool scripts are and what their names are. = Nor do I want to remember. The job of a GUI is to guide me toward best = practices; hI shouldn=E2=80=99t NEED to remember. Having to logically = deconstruct the situation and build up a solution brick by brick is a = nodal/CL approach that if I was generally disposed to, I would be long = ago off to Nuke and Fusion land without looking back.


Tim Sassoon
SFD
Venice, CA



On = Dec 12, 2019, at 11:15 AM, David Torno <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

Lol, Steve, literally this particular basic expression = (literally typing 14 characters) is setup to be the same step as adding = an fx plugin. One click and drag.

Search = =E2=80=9CFrame Number=E2=80=9D in the stock Animation Presets.

If people want bells and whistles, then yes = there are more steps. The point being is that solutions do exist, and no = they really are not complicated, just confusing if you refuse to learn = some simple things, but I get that some people just want an easy button. = Which quite frankly is possible too if you use ExtendScript. It can be a = button click.

The alternative is to keep = filing a feature request and hope Adobe gets enough requests for it to = do something about it. Until then the vast pool of 3rd party developers = fill that gap and put a lot of developing effort into making useful = tools. We all know time is money, so those tools are not always going to = be free. I=E2=80=99ve given free solutions (not only here but over the = past 10 years) and Lloyd has provided fancier paid solutions (for nearly = the same amount of time). Many options exist to fix this frame counter = burnin problem currently. If people don=E2=80=99t like any of them, then = I guess you are stuck....by choice.

David = Torno
818.391.6060
--------------------
https://vimeo.com/davidtorno (experiments & = breakdowns)
https://gumroad.com/davidtorno (products for sale)
http://provideocoalition.com/author/dtorno (tutorials)
"The most useless day is that in which we do not laugh"
-Charles Field

On Dec 12, 2019, at 9:42 AM, Steve Oakley = <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

too complicated. too annoying. data burn in is a basic need = for some folks. 

S

On Dec 11, 2019, at 1:19 PM, David Torno <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

No need for precomps. Add text layer, add expression to = source text property, and choose timeToFrames from preset arrow drop = down. 
Done.

You can use any font in = AE now and size.

David Torno
818.391.6060
--------------------
https://vimeo.com/davidtorno (experiments & = breakdowns)
https://gumroad.com/davidtorno (products for sale)
http://provideocoalition.com/author/dtorno (tutorials)

"The most useless day is that in which we do = not laugh"
-Charles Field

On Dec 11, 2019, at = 10:47 AM, Timothy Sassoon <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

Complaint and FR - The Numbers effect type size is limited to = 128pt. I=E2=80=99m putting the request here, since I was bounced from = the AE beta list a years ago.

With = today=E2=80=99s frame sizes that=E2=80=99s often absurd SMALL, and one = has to jump through precomp hoops to scale it big enough to be useful; = current project 400%. How about 999 points maximum? That might keep us = for a few years.



Tim Sassoon
SFD
Venice, CA = 90291
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