From: "Steve Oakley" Received: from mout.perfora.net ([74.208.4.197] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 7478789 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Sat, 14 Dec 2019 20:34:56 +0100 Received: from [10.1.1.113] ([75.129.149.237]) by mrelay.perfora.net (mreueus004 [74.208.5.2]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1Mir4C-1i1dhi2mai-00escV for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2019 20:34:54 +0100 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_7B87149F-CC90-4CB4-A145-889B42790028" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.0 \(3608.40.2.2.4\)) Subject: Re: [AE] warning concerning CC 2018 Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2019 13:34:53 -0600 References: To: After Effects Mail List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <3F9243DA-C2D9-4820-AD5C-AC5104EC9432@practicalillusions.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.40.2.2.4) X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:idutaQGgF8iotd66xhNBFychbpoztyA1g7IOV5cALJSShv4XyWy Z4INZMhcqOpbeKawoKEg2+Wm7q3DEVlFHknr1qVzvdTjjhsdJsI5Bek8bsd5LTdg/wFlLGw Nr0zm3mCNO511faBbii9CsItme92CcuQCvmMl2VsQj+m+DgqdZE6YhYqzSNLByHyO+huhpL nH+TaSMpYrwQ4Xp9o+tgQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:3GOFColN1us=:WODPuUBnZnKRcdc9OFCbFT VVjb7Lq/wSsn0O147b3auzYNbWkDb9R1SKLLGmPl3X1Mrw1XxwkTLpeoKxKx+kvGZPHvig6ut Kd7bQBXKnAIRhQk16S05Ul4ArHMraEuhyqMfz9SUop2ZAzjMQxw8NdOrkzcoeOWecgZNDiwDg XQzYXFl0PY2TC5k1SllNqhDtfLMSbmO+6ztJ4WHjoriBlUB7ab7H0mqxryA1I/exBiLt4XWFM RX1Y2oLpEBQFIY280cKayN1qObUMi38Dz2h/affb46Xq4nmOUZW69m5GNEZHcWkkGa7fVU9au MyvONcUruieAIiWE+EQKYg3QbI/wG/LKuhMe2ZFvBHr1OQcPEhU8nPdA1a1ESJ8AOt8UmQt3n OWOoJx/OV14bF89LhcRJNLbyAFAagTAcxyt4afsEdEcoVhP8vStGA3u5OzAH1XeWsnJUw6RtJ mjBNEFgGJxgftHmeWLCH2pSHAMpOGomCt/KyIK+/b0CRHzR4VCA7QMvviiMP6hfTCT+Q272bZ fDy3FIl4ZUHYxST2hS//jcOmpJavdrTPNQjpAKvDqGREX+YIDyWHQCm4Rg1ZtjQLhETCN3Vxr 4qomT7zMiX2ct34j4k6XxL9mwKRI5m2MnjTomtXpDv9D+feK41Gr6g8fr3c9dDoU1I9eXFcu5 bn1Kte6u8/s2nzk5MJ3jJU4ONcfhSNzLyKsCfu+71wxzGxoM5HvumQH+JNoQFrp0CLlEec2d5 2tqq7sFE+/PqwAPHEktsl51zVbRre5t6KR2cVhJyny1b2pcoV7X+2VjM0qzRAMJroVY/UU8qU PhDxFNwoOjllvVu94Ud5JWsxavPttvJ/y2IsX3E9XQhwWjdU6OtpFqqaWM/TIO88roXJ13ck+ jiqj+81voTY82n0eLN832WqEzxzkhwJq9jkIaeBnc= --Apple-Mail=_7B87149F-CC90-4CB4-A145-889B42790028 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Just completed an updating on my MP 2012 to 10.15.2 :) and a AMD 5700X. = Short answer, so far it works great. That said, I was fully prepared to = go back to 10.13.6 + nV card if I had to. I cloned the boot drive and = wasn=E2=80=99t more than a drive copy away from going back.=20 There was / is a whole bunch of legal questions around the h.264 = licensing with adobe which seems to be why the old installers where = pulled from public access. Its possible if you contact TS they might = send you a link to the old installer, maybe not. It shouldn=E2=80=99t = come to that. Please see actual public documents : = https://insight.rpxcorp.com/litigation_documents/13182866 = https://insight.rpxcorp.com/news/8453 =20 and this = https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/a3xk3p/adobe-tells-users-they-can-get-s= ued-for-using-old-versions-of-photoshop and = https://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/multi/dolby-end-of-support.html IMO the old apps should be appropriately patched to use the built in OS = decoders and life goes on if you really need to use an older version of = something. ITs the right thing to do for your users who trusted you and = paid you in good faith that all was good and that access to older apps = would not be a problem. welcome to the digital abyss. :( S > On Dec 14, 2019, at 11:54 AM, Adam Mercado = wrote: >=20 > Well I know it=E2=80=99s quite the thing these days, but I would never = try to run a computer graphics business on a laptop. Call them mobile = workstations if you like but they=E2=80=99re still laptops.=20 >=20 > On my 2008 3,1 MacPro with a gtx780 Resolve 12 runs just fine. You = see, unlike Adobe, BlackMagic doesn=E2=80=99t force your hand hardware = wise. They have standalone installers for every version to suit your = system. That=E2=80=99s a level of customer service Adobe has long since = forgotten.=20 >=20 > To them we are just a cash cow they keep milking >=20 > Adam Mercado > Owner & Creative Idiot > Influxx Media Production=20 > 714.928.9896 >=20 > Moving Images. For Business >=20 > On Dec 14, 2019, at 8:38 AM, George Loch > wrote: >=20 >> Resolve has it's own h/w requirements. I know it doesn't run well, as = an experiment, on my late 2013 rMBP.=20 >>=20 >> -gl >>=20 >> On Sat, Dec 14, 2019 at 9:17 AM Adam Mercado > wrote: >> Well quite frankly this is a pattern. How many comments like this do = we hear? How many before Adobe decides to give a damn. Not until they = lose market share to Resolve (or whatever) will they get the message.=20 >>=20 >> I dumped Premier for Resolve and haven=E2=80=99t looked back. It = every bit the editor that Pr should be. I=E2=80=99m still dipping my = toes into Fusion so for the time being I=E2=80=99m stuck with AE. I do = look forward to the day ahead when I kick Adobe to the kerb once and for = all >>=20 >> Adam Mercado >> Owner & Creative Idiot >> Influxx Media Production=20 >> 714.928.9896 >>=20 >> Moving Images. For Business >>=20 >> On Dec 14, 2019, at 6:08 AM, Jim Curtis > wrote: >>=20 >>> I=E2=80=99m still using Pr 2018. One of my routines to fix problems = when deleting prefs or trashing caches and renders don=E2=80=99t work is = to uninstall and reinstall the app. >>>=20 >>> That option is no longer available. I can=E2=80=99t find a = standalone installer on the Adobe site either. >>>=20 >>> I=E2=80=99m also still using Ae 2018 because of Dynamic Link with = Pr. >>>=20 >>> Pr 2018 is the ONLY version of Pr that works reliably on my 2012 = MacPro and my 2014 MPB Retina. 2019 was a nightmare, and my trial of = 2020 (minimal so far) has been a repeat of the lack of response I=E2=80=99= d witnessed in 2019. =20 >>>=20 >>> An Adobe employee on the Pr forum told me I need to buy a newer = computer, so I can run the newer versions. Adobe shouldn=E2=80=99t be = taking the best builds of their apps off-line, IMO. They shouldn=E2=80=99= t be releasing crap and calling it an =E2=80=9Cupgrade.=E2=80=9D The = =E2=80=9Cnew features=E2=80=9D in Pr 2020 are ludicrous, IMO. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> . --Apple-Mail=_7B87149F-CC90-4CB4-A145-889B42790028 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Just = completed an updating on my MP 2012 to 10.15.2 :) and a AMD 5700X. Short = answer, so far it works great. That said, I was fully prepared to go = back to 10.13.6 + nV card if I had to. I cloned the boot drive and = wasn=E2=80=99t more than a drive copy away from going back. 

There was / is a whole = bunch of legal questions around the h.264 licensing with adobe which = seems to be why the old installers where pulled from public access. Its = possible if you contact TS they might send you a link to the old = installer, maybe not. It shouldn=E2=80=99t come to that. Please see = actual public documents :  https://insight.rpxcorp.com/litigation_documents/13182866 =   https://insight.rpxcorp.com/news/8453  

and this https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/a3xk3p/adobe-tells-users-the= y-can-get-sued-for-using-old-versions-of-photoshop  and https://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/multi/dolby-end-of-support.= html

IMO = the old apps should be appropriately patched to use the built in OS = decoders and life goes on if you really need to use an older version of = something. ITs the right thing to do for your users who trusted you and = paid you in good faith that all was good and that access to older apps = would not be a problem. welcome to the digital abyss. :(


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On Dec 14, 2019, at 11:54 AM, Adam Mercado = <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

Well I know it=E2=80=99s quite = the thing these days, but I would never try to run a computer graphics = business on a laptop. Call them mobile workstations if you like but = they=E2=80=99re still laptops. 

On my 2008 3,1 MacPro with a gtx780 = Resolve 12 runs just fine. You see, unlike Adobe, BlackMagic doesn=E2=80=99= t force your hand hardware wise. They have standalone installers for = every version to suit your system. That=E2=80=99s a level of customer = service Adobe has long since forgotten. 

To them we are just a cash cow they = keep milking

Adam Mercado
Owner = & Creative Idiot
Influxx = Media Production 
714.928.9896

Moving Images. For = Business

On Dec 14, = 2019, at 8:38 AM, George Loch <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

Resolve has it's own h/w requirements. I know it = doesn't run well, as an experiment, on my late 2013 rMBP. 

-gl

On Sat, Dec 14, 2019 at 9:17 AM Adam Mercado <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
Well = quite frankly this is a pattern. How many comments like this do we hear? = How many before Adobe decides to give a damn. Not until they lose market = share to Resolve (or whatever) will they get the message. 

I dumped Premier for = Resolve and haven=E2=80=99t looked back. It every bit the editor that Pr = should be. I=E2=80=99m still dipping my toes into Fusion so for the time = being I=E2=80=99m stuck with AE. I do look forward to the day ahead when = I kick Adobe to the kerb once and for all

Adam = Mercado
Owner & = Creative Idiot
Influxx Media = Production 
714.928.9896

Moving Images. = For Business

On Dec 14, = 2019, at 6:08 AM, Jim Curtis <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

I=E2=80=99m still using = Pr 2018.  One of my routines to fix problems when deleting prefs or = trashing caches and renders don=E2=80=99t work is to uninstall and = reinstall the app.

That option is no longer available.  I can=E2=80=99t = find a standalone installer on the Adobe site either.

I=E2=80=99= m also still using Ae 2018 because of Dynamic Link with = Pr.

Pr = 2018 is the ONLY version of Pr that works reliably on my 2012 MacPro and = my 2014 MPB Retina.  2019 was a nightmare, and my trial of 2020 = (minimal so far) has been a repeat of the lack of response I=E2=80=99d = witnessed in 2019.  

An Adobe employee on the Pr forum told me I need to buy a = newer computer, so I can run the newer versions.  Adobe shouldn=E2=80= =99t be taking the best builds of their apps off-line, IMO.  They = shouldn=E2=80=99t be releasing crap and calling it an =E2=80=9Cupgrade.=E2= =80=9D  The =E2=80=9Cnew features=E2=80=9D in Pr 2020 are = ludicrous, IMO.


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