From: "George Patay" Received: from mail-qt1-f171.google.com ([209.85.160.171] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 7478801 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Sat, 14 Dec 2019 20:38:22 +0100 Received: by mail-qt1-f171.google.com with SMTP id k40so2016592qtk.8 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2019 11:38:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=pataypost-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=7sNqi5rnIGTd9fETNY2Z722CgJTHx2BxQNWA3DrC6GM=; b=qKgBNkCfUmMM4/qEfsNFhpOt5r3IjGvMzNp65YLJVAQ75gXMN28dY68mqL5mQNfk5G X1XuR4Uj1GRdDtOJjBIFr57BqqHW6IHg7dAlOZgNoDVNs4OtMdPhCnuhiX6QBLATsnBC tQrcvY8v6ltEt98LbaKaSAGwJq7xK21PHWkl2ZpBuXv3YcHA82RYifhCxDbeEB0WKxKy w2ie6sWf7Q6uEiOoGyiaFHTPKrWwtqPs7U55+W43V/iVK8JjWScLazfXqsJaFKqqYYRP Yt2bpShVqSDbovNYiMljJvyExyJiTnTKpDrMBJWUC2LEIea+dn8o0uBFFdHgGq4tyOPk bVEA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=7sNqi5rnIGTd9fETNY2Z722CgJTHx2BxQNWA3DrC6GM=; b=pCYzYot1yw8dXRR0DsJ7EoRZO0ystNa6u0oLZGDDNSHb76yNXhkp1iw28QTnWN03I7 BsRd4tgrzv1ez4SQ5m+7C6ZGFbvLj4gWHzraI94MgKinjuIoc4uW5bahe1yLEe1IlrGA KrTkHiIYKDmZ28JPyh6cg/RmphpTvBxrxKFsJrPhQMRUMpc3hs0Kv5YeHxtZyQx1sf5V UveLoOCD2/6QxlT23ThVSpYqNk28g+vbfozIMhUGtcSQh0BnApSTLa5da2NLbo5I9lKu OynszOIBY0EXwcdERCzYBI1KyzDHIvFvhRWFbf+gLPO4HkJhnt4iVhUNNWtWH/l8lTEg Nx2A== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUO6355fGSfBglpDgNlDJPRQzh5CULYiufvtEe2s7gXoBCCug/m 6bhVCV6G4IloX7jpTRu0sz4RoDTqNPjxbHo8iHT7arH7Dn3MvQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqy5fHqlpQLY7abzqmwnVZ9iVvFQAfk3r3Sn1RA3nXoCNWR2O+6ZF54tvARIVFsW3rlUvLTCqObwCYDO/kIK3dc= X-Received: by 2002:ac8:4a8a:: with SMTP id l10mr17376769qtq.198.1576352300087; Sat, 14 Dec 2019 11:38:20 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2019 13:38:09 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] warning concerning CC 2018 To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000e347f40599af1e66" --000000000000e347f40599af1e66 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The negatives often squeak loud but I thought it might be worth posting a different picture. I simply have not encountered the kinds of problems described with any of the more recent releases of After Effects or Premiere. I'm currently working in a relatively large corporate shop - 7 seats of active use of After Effects and Premiere. 5 of those are on 2013 Mac trashcans, 2 are iMac Pros. Everyone is on 2019 and we're shortly moving up to 2020, although some already have. Media and projects are on a large Facilis TerraBlock. Not to say that Premiere never crashes but we have minimal problems with Adobe software. Upgrades to a newer version can be touchy if you don't delete *all* the cache files. But other than that, virtually trouble free. George Patay Patay Post, Inc. On Sat, Dec 14, 2019 at 11:55 AM Adam Mercado wrote: > Well I know it=E2=80=99s quite the thing these days, but I would never tr= y to run > a computer graphics business on a laptop. Call them mobile workstations i= f > you like but they=E2=80=99re still laptops. > > On my 2008 3,1 MacPro with a gtx780 Resolve 12 runs just fine. You see, > unlike Adobe, BlackMagic doesn=E2=80=99t force your hand hardware wise. T= hey have > standalone installers for every version to suit your system. That=E2=80= =99s a level > of customer service Adobe has long since forgotten. > > To them we are just a cash cow they keep milking > > Adam Mercado > Owner & Creative Idiot > Influxx Media Production > 714.928.9896 > > Moving Images. For Business > > On Dec 14, 2019, at 8:38 AM, George Loch wrote: > > Resolve has it's own h/w requirements. I know it doesn't run well, as an > experiment, on my late 2013 rMBP. > > -gl > > On Sat, Dec 14, 2019 at 9:17 AM Adam Mercado > wrote: > >> Well quite frankly this is a pattern. How many comments like this do we >> hear? How many before Adobe decides to give a damn. Not until they lose >> market share to Resolve (or whatever) will they get the message. >> >> I dumped Premier for Resolve and haven=E2=80=99t looked back. It every b= it the >> editor that Pr should be. I=E2=80=99m still dipping my toes into Fusion = so for the >> time being I=E2=80=99m stuck with AE. I do look forward to the day ahead= when I >> kick Adobe to the kerb once and for all >> >> Adam Mercado >> Owner & Creative Idiot >> Influxx Media Production >> 714.928.9896 >> >> Moving Images. For Business >> >> On Dec 14, 2019, at 6:08 AM, Jim Curtis wrote: >> >> I=E2=80=99m still using Pr 2018. One of my routines to fix problems whe= n >> deleting prefs or trashing caches and renders don=E2=80=99t work is to u= ninstall >> and reinstall the app. >> >> That option is no longer available. I can=E2=80=99t find a standalone i= nstaller >> on the Adobe site either. >> >> I=E2=80=99m also still using Ae 2018 because of Dynamic Link with Pr. >> >> Pr 2018 is the ONLY version of Pr that works reliably on my 2012 MacPro >> and my 2014 MPB Retina. 2019 was a nightmare, and my trial of 2020 >> (minimal so far) has been a repeat of the lack of response I=E2=80=99d w= itnessed in >> 2019. >> >> An Adobe employee on the Pr forum told me I need to buy a newer computer= , >> so I can run the newer versions. Adobe shouldn=E2=80=99t be taking the = best builds >> of their apps off-line, IMO. They shouldn=E2=80=99t be releasing crap a= nd calling >> it an =E2=80=9Cupgrade.=E2=80=9D The =E2=80=9Cnew features=E2=80=9D in = Pr 2020 are ludicrous, IMO. >> >> >> . >> >> --000000000000e347f40599af1e66 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The negatives often squeak loud but I thought it migh= t be worth posting a different picture.=C2=A0

I simply have not encountered the kinds of problems described with any of = the more recent releases of After Effects or Premiere.=C2=A0

I'm currently working in a relatively large corporate s= hop - 7 seats of active use of After Effects and Premiere.=C2=A0 5 of those= are on 2013 Mac trashcans, 2 are iMac Pros.

= Everyone is on 2019 and we're shortly moving up to 2020, although some = already have.

Media and projects are on a lar= ge Facilis TerraBlock.

Not to say that Premie= re never crashes but we have minimal problems with Adobe software. Upgrades= to a newer version can be touchy if you don't delete *all* the cache f= iles. But other than that, virtually trouble free.

George Patay
Patay Post, Inc.


On Sat, Dec 14, 2019 at 11:55 AM Adam Mercado <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:=
Well I know it=E2=80=99s quite the thing these days, but I would never t= ry to run a computer graphics business on a laptop. Call them mobile workst= ations if you like but they=E2=80=99re still laptops.=C2=A0

<= div>On my 2008 3,1 MacPro with a gtx780 Resolve 12 runs just fine. You see,= unlike Adobe, BlackMagic doesn=E2=80=99t force your hand hardware wise. Th= ey have standalone installers for every version to suit your system. That= =E2=80=99s a level of customer service Adobe has long since forgotten.=C2= =A0

To them we are just a cash cow they keep milki= ng

Adam Mercado
Owner & Creative Idiot
Influxx Media = Production=C2=A0
714.928.9896

Moving Images. For Business

= On Dec 14, 2019, at 8:38 AM, George Loch <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
Resolve has it'= s own h/w requirements. I know it doesn't run well, as an experiment, o= n my late 2013 rMBP.=C2=A0

-gl

On Sat, Dec 14, 2019= at 9:17 AM Adam Mercado <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
Well quite frankly = this is a pattern. How many comments like this do we hear? How many before = Adobe decides to give a damn. Not until they lose market share to Resolve (= or whatever) will they get the message.=C2=A0

I dumped P= remier for Resolve and haven=E2=80=99t looked back. It every bit the editor= that Pr should be. I=E2=80=99m still dipping my toes into Fusion so for th= e time being I=E2=80=99m stuck with AE. I do look forward to the day ahead = when I kick Adobe to the kerb once and for all

Adam Mercado
Owner & Creative Idiot
Influxx Media Produ= ction=C2=A0
714.928.9896

Moving Images. For Business

On De= c 14, 2019, at 6:08 AM, Jim Curtis <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

I=E2=80=99m still using Pr 2018.=C2=A0 One of my routin= es to fix problems when deleting prefs or trashing caches and renders don= =E2=80=99t work is to uninstall and reinstall the app.

T= hat option is no longer available.=C2=A0 I can=E2=80=99t find a standalone = installer on the Adobe site either.

I=E2=80= =99m also still using Ae 2018 because of Dynamic Link with Pr.
<= div>
Pr 2018 is the ONLY version of Pr that works reliably on= my 2012 MacPro and my 2014 MPB Retina. =C2=A02019 was a nightmare, and my = trial of 2020 (minimal so far) has been a repeat of the lack of response I= =E2=80=99d witnessed in 2019. =C2=A0

An Adobe empl= oyee on the Pr forum told me I need to buy a newer computer, so I can run t= he newer versions.=C2=A0 Adobe shouldn=E2=80=99t be taking the best builds = of their apps off-line, IMO.=C2=A0 They shouldn=E2=80=99t be releasing crap= and calling it an =E2=80=9Cupgrade.=E2=80=9D =C2=A0The =E2=80=9Cnew featur= es=E2=80=9D in Pr 2020 are ludicrous, IMO.


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