From: "Jim Curtis" Received: from sonic312-27.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com ([98.137.69.208] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 7483156 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 23 Dec 2019 22:06:56 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=flash.net; s=s2048; t=1577135213; bh=VcFFZbiFAuLP1sLoO9h18fS1PhkjnTlSy5BdWVzwWUA=; h=From:Subject:Date:References:To:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=i95n3H0aFIqA6BiQ6OL7EIwUigo999+ib8RvGYTNJfIKQelyovbBiDvUcXRepXgM2sFZ/e8bJ/ia3L1rm4Six6wX/XePD2AYyMICxy4sE85QpFObpfn2IMZh3JmQiqRWrQNezVij6/kC/YZnmyq0jtdBLhxvzL02vw4Di11HmlytX9NgvLfpHHZkpWTyonTyFeWSOAJ4iwKvDpib6azidRji5FEUZLQEUldqWmLPCmFyU+TDObADjggCaBl6Su164lwrdTFllxzaSGwPU/T2+/OIUIN9PTF3GjB5DKN8qayvxWwgyXmcugOGQnG3968NGdxh8aI83C779KoLhSK7tw== X-YMail-OSG: 3Qlli6cVM1kv8H9V6FCjw2K60XT3PIesIN3vh8gDhVSkPFbEGxXYv0.vqS_dLTZ IZYcOTFwLZK8mt8QROZvRwdMxYc0USkP1GoOBAiZxKlOUDfLToYVTaBCRH7DVv_u_xzovNS.gqJO GJydJ0hGjHoXev_4PFJtp8PQRlDj9nytB1aUFkdX_A_lzrJXA3yoZMhWK0twqkyJFoZ6RM8Bc5PA toVVWaA2.KjErop.Rjq61cqsdHaEizSkvQ0WlltbwqRhIxW_W8nzh9gvmQCUygs2DFwtnwx2EfQN ipyzl3wvyFqLLojFiLLUnnzljLdHxRYKSf5bx8jMosk284dgN9PVHD8XHCz4yaLpvQ1znFaJi0mu jEv4qVCj81GxuwTGyMH5T9BkVvDwB8K0v9stxUcoJu14L_U3OGs.0ytARnVeMUC62BzTncbZ30fp sHc3WlizJa1rq20rjVdShNtKFU87JQPGB01n6QWFfykBJIilSYFvEyYFSFzr0UJR37EtcunYzVif 7yWqWG30GsXH_HJ2Ai8IzR_JaZSxsJQDmHmcU4Fd0mm2NXSf7JUWhwQ3JdsZWxfcryazFRr0fj9u I66n3bQJvgOs98ATa.Lvae7mCLlhSiMz2rf13LMgAVQLGfdtCrpCSt0.bfhUv.WTnGRXF9VLSqFJ QF9yM6fc6xyXTS_Ravu7CKz050NszZWkE00RGPtktC3Jh5zIpsnKRsROK6.7v1j1Gi00oXmUMxzu 4pdZGCS5JpLmyqvbRvq8_3vhAwK33GKo5793UVg5odVUrF004p_zIK6uDfwbW06._vkWJbGO8sCW 28KXYRSLJyzaam0sasgpUlMJT6VSnFlruxgQLvEQK4L7C.nBjcuPQN9pyDyXtInSWjYsoliieQWt Ej0EcPxRd3Cb223UH30U8gklcrO00Uf0AqaEHt2TEoFkRvVMmgMJar2h58vBWBAL0bEmyGyn6xfD WyhNUQA999.ljtjI5WNsVGwO7dKTB.V3dpugZoOMhCBoM2XZdWorhpWu15gfCPllTDKQf7jqEUIb amgBQHrTO4G1E6smVPAYG8MzCSNQtGQXa2ueZPnPbAdiOX6jFOldVVuQrtrpCc09q.sK6AmeyRHg eDkeTCtaL7ZBQeZAYr8PNOGRwTX0uh2WYReR6lc_xtIDuKqByFjgptt9ZHMHJVRC_AcL0QNlBLB6 WjQAuT0NlCe.ifaunLIGifXnl1FfQm_lKBDr2SFClmM9OBHBFZmDJa2OUMUrmDTK64aIs.KsCwg7 PTKQ7f1.z3VBed9uY53MZ0DNzpw5JsOxMchTtN217iANJjI4zTOOFOUTL.L7q_TOyIGnppiacNfj Wl8tZg_Ds.UKjqrgi9eWLwRZJlimGs90cTvXgYjRjFycEPnZZVQeqf_K7DPimRfe4sOhd7Nch0XR Bx15cl4FzUkKsRK8D1902PFiVHaCpuevpVx.7_9B87cg- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic312.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Mon, 23 Dec 2019 21:06:53 +0000 Received: by smtp430.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 71e9f2113f0cf0d24efb15e4b1f69a0f; Mon, 23 Dec 2019 21:06:49 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_D6DE8A7A-4478-472D-9E91-7D3A187A2091" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Subject: Re: [AE] Must watch Mac Pro models Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2019 15:06:47 -0600 References: To: After Effects Mail List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <42336523-FC02-457E-B32F-349E5238664E@flash.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Content-Length: 17915 --Apple-Mail=_D6DE8A7A-4478-472D-9E91-7D3A187A2091 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I just returned home with mine, and have started a clean install of = everything. > On Dec 23, 2019, at 1:48 PM, Stephen van Vuuren = wrote: >=20 > If you have not seen this two looks at a complete hardware teardown = and test of PCIe expansion options, they are must view: > =20 > https://youtu.be/xQGfVFpMpuQ > =20 > & > =20 > https://youtu.be/I0PnVHHTX1E > =20 > Mixed bags of news for those thinking buying base model and upgrading. = RAM, yes, CPU, yes, PCIe SSDs, yes with some caveats. GPUs and other = cards, YMMV. > =20 > The one thing missing is unclear how Apple will respond to all of = these upgrades =E2=80=93 only the memory and approved PCI cards/storage = kit(s) is clear from what I can tell. > =20 > It does appear there is a lot of wisdom in waiting the first round out = to see if third party (especially internal cables) and hack world opens = up the box. > =20 > And absolutely confirms that the thing is ridiculously overengineered = with crazy markup margins, so unless you are going to load it with top = end config, that engineering goes to waste. It=E2=80=99s simply = impossible to configure a reasonable price performance rig out of it at = this time. > =20 > Best, > =20 > stephen van vuuren > 336.202.4777 > =20 > http://www.insaturnsrings.com/ > http://www.sv2dcp.com/ > http://www.sv2studios.com/ > =20 > A film is =E2=80=93 or should be =E2=80=93 more like music than like = fiction. It should be a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, = what=E2=80=99s behind the emotion, the meaning, all that comes later. > =E2=80=93Stanley Kubrick > =20 > From: After Effects Mail List >=20 > Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2019 11:44 AM > To: After Effects Mail List > > Subject: Re: [AE] We can order a new MacPro tomorrow. > =20 > Dennis said: "As far as the new Mac Pro goes, I=E2=80=99m withholding = judgment until I see how Redshift, Octane and Unity work in their Metal = incarnations on the new machines." > =20 > This is totally where our motion department is right now. We're = running propped up cheesegraters with 1080 cards in them, would probably = all prefer to use OSX if we could, but it's going to come down to = support for the software we need to use. Which, in addition to AE, is = C4D, Octane, Redshift, Houdini, and a little bit of Nuke and = Maya/Arnold. > =20 > =46rom the day of the announcement, I was worried about them not = having Nvidia cards and how that is going to play out with a bunch of = software companies that have larger user bases on Windows/Nvidia to = support. > =20 > We actually have the budget to spend a bunch of money on computers but = its just feeling so hard to justify the Mac Pro for reasons in addition = to price. Very curious to see what the price differential for = comparable hardware ends up being. It's not even a question which way = I'd go if it was my own money. > =20 > This has been a good discussion to read. Thank y'all, > - Nathan > =20 > On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 8:35 AM Mike Abbott > wrote: > =20 >=20 > On 10/12/2019 15:55, Stephen van Vuuren wrote: > Windows OS will never be Mac OS and vice versa. But you can get 99% of = either on either. I move back and forth between both every day... > =20 >=20 > The other life saving application on Windows: Directory Opus: = https://www.gpsoft.com.au/ > > Think of it as Windows Explorer with a PhD. >=20 > =20 >=20 > Mike >=20 --Apple-Mail=_D6DE8A7A-4478-472D-9E91-7D3A187A2091 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 I = just returned home with mine, and have started a clean install of = everything.


On Dec = 23, 2019, at 1:48 PM, Stephen van Vuuren <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

If you = have not seen this two looks at a complete hardware teardown and test of = PCIe expansion options, they are must view:
 
https://youtu.be/xQGfVFpMpuQ
 
&
 
https://youtu.be/I0PnVHHTX1E
 
Mixed = bags of news for those thinking buying base model and upgrading. RAM, = yes, CPU, yes, PCIe SSDs, yes with some caveats. GPUs and other cards, = YMMV.
 
The one = thing missing is unclear how Apple will respond to all of these upgrades = =E2=80=93 only the memory and approved PCI cards/storage kit(s) is clear = from what I can tell.
 
It does appear there is a lot of wisdom in waiting the first = round out to see if third party (especially internal cables) and hack = world opens up the box.
 
And absolutely confirms that the thing is ridiculously = overengineered with crazy markup margins, so unless you are going to = load it with top end config, that engineering goes to waste. It=E2=80=99s = simply impossible to configure a reasonable price performance rig out of = it at this time.
 
Best,
 
stephen = van vuuren
336.202.4777
 
http://www.insaturnsrings.com/
http://www.sv2dcp.com/
http://www.sv2studios.com/
 
A film is =E2=80=93 or = should be =E2=80=93 more like music than like fiction. It should be a = progression of moods and feelings. The theme, what=E2=80=99s behind the = emotion, the meaning, all that comes later.
=E2=80=93Stanley = Kubrick
 
From: After Effects Mail List = <AE-List@media-motion.tv> 
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2019 = 11:44 AM
To: After Effects Mail List = <AE-List@media-motion.tv>Subject: Re: [AE] We can order a new = MacPro tomorrow.
 
Dennis said:  "As far as the new = Mac Pro goes, I=E2=80=99m withholding judgment until I see how Redshift, = Octane and Unity work in their Metal incarnations on the new = machines."
 
This is totally where our motion department is right = now.  We're running propped up cheesegraters with 1080 cards in = them, would probably all prefer to use OSX if we could, but it's going = to come down to support for the software we need to use.  Which, in = addition to AE, is C4D, Octane, Redshift, Houdini, and a little bit of = Nuke and Maya/Arnold.
 
=46rom the day of the announcement, I was worried about them = not having Nvidia cards and how that is going to play out with a bunch = of software companies that have larger user bases on Windows/Nvidia = to support.
 
We actually have the budget to spend a bunch of money on = computers but its just feeling so hard to justify the Mac Pro for = reasons in addition to price.  Very curious to see what the price = differential for comparable hardware ends up being.  It's not even = a question which way I'd go if it was my own money.
 
This has been a good discussion to = read.  Thank y'all,
 - Nathan
 
On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at = 8:35 AM Mike Abbott <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

 

On 10/12/2019 15:55, Stephen van Vuuren wrote:
Windows OS will never be Mac OS and vice versa. But you can = get 99% of either on either.  I move back and forth between both = every day...

 

The other life = saving application on Windows: Directory Opus: https://www.gpsoft.com.au/

Think of it as Windows Explorer with = a PhD.

 

Mike


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