From: "jamie" Received: from mail-ed1-f43.google.com ([209.85.208.43] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 7483163 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 23 Dec 2019 22:12:07 +0100 Received: by mail-ed1-f43.google.com with SMTP id l8so16405063edw.1 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2019 13:12:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Ri6oBn/juV94H24CLxRwt1xtWY6jn1PALWENH647o9w=; b=tBniUherOqe+ICNtSxODGLo9x3TopkAj0bN6ozkRV1fobnRpv1r6YGth/60sLH9Nyz 7y+73kGZEJ3PuWuCy08jNNSo8Qw4kVFjx5Q86yJuio9LB1jQNHu7hyc+LPVORgqwHxtf fm3VwkgeZv3pUV6o7rQulR9mtFqNkD9o0YwuDo5oGo4vkqBBOVMAA7TN7wHmF/7/agz7 cOCNfwRel5Oj9SedFRYVMGKk4hnCjbOw2WwBB0ALrW77O1ByP5dxrodK3929ktx6o0oI 43u5JtPulbP45nHP4vBplOQ8fwxLcd2gqi7OBjZL3j/4M9Gh5n6B70CUe/byWs07VrBl LbXw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=Ri6oBn/juV94H24CLxRwt1xtWY6jn1PALWENH647o9w=; b=hHFGPf8VxSwJQW75Dq5Ks+9n3XXLi8y/qI/4w22DSKdAt7GHFG+TYgJagPmFVBvXeF yvaQYj+3z+11vtMgB1qmWP/6+sSgi6b41c1MB3diBBSifZ0p2EkaIPzwDjaOTqeDsNGa WLTa7FVzsEaWdoskBzU+3e2ivv5z9ZiwBG0kYnlMQjCkd1ESjB+PCeUhr8wf95SUco2N NQ1Q9UxSf8fFkcTjiov0SuJALyEAGyqD3eQTPnYcJamHcXv5+eAbLmR8Rc+JJtzdhxhk /V8RUVSiZEwTchte35xd6HZJWIb3iVOvvPhgyhXXvCT4eeglqqjl4eJ1/n8ZR/b+LRaw ZFEA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVIDTAK87rIETtyOJ6HgVWFWggQU02IHeN0eK60AqKcITs8t0go cK990y4JESPj5rIJ/NGQd6qgQu282/zisBE/yqUcJg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyexSo6hSt3lbAsZ4CnxZya3qN21oN5OICuleTCrpRq7cESsdqqvemV2nk2uG4uyxs+Tcl1mOg8LL4vNi5uD+c= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6402:6d2:: with SMTP id n18mr35917493edy.100.1577135526350; Mon, 23 Dec 2019 13:12:06 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2019 13:11:55 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] Must watch Mac Pro models To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000cf93b1059a657a1a" --000000000000cf93b1059a657a1a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Congrats! Did you go with an AfterBurner card? Please share AE render results. Put in an order for one as well but VAR will take a bit to deliver. On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 1:07 PM Jim Curtis wrote: > I just returned home with mine, and have started a clean install of > everything. > > > On Dec 23, 2019, at 1:48 PM, Stephen van Vuuren > wrote: > > If you have not seen this two looks at a complete hardware teardown and > test of PCIe expansion options, they are must view: > > https://youtu.be/xQGfVFpMpuQ > > & > > https://youtu.be/I0PnVHHTX1E > > Mixed bags of news for those thinking buying base model and upgrading. > RAM, yes, CPU, yes, PCIe SSDs, yes with some caveats. GPUs and other card= s, > YMMV. > > The one thing missing is unclear how Apple will respond to all of these > upgrades =E2=80=93 only the memory and approved PCI cards/storage kit(s) = is clear > from what I can tell. > > It does appear there is a lot of wisdom in waiting the first round out to > see if third party (especially internal cables) and hack world opens up t= he > box. > > And absolutely confirms that the thing is ridiculously overengineered wit= h > crazy markup margins, so unless you are going to load it with top end > config, that engineering goes to waste. It=E2=80=99s simply impossible to= configure > a reasonable price performance rig out of it at this time. > > Best, > > stephen van vuuren > 336.202.4777 > > http://www.insaturnsrings.com/ > http://www.sv2dcp.com/ > http://www.sv2studios.com/ > > A film is =E2=80=93 or should be =E2=80=93 more like music than like fict= ion. It should be > a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, what=E2=80=99s behind the= emotion, > the meaning, all that comes later. > =E2=80=93Stanley Kubrick > > *From:* After Effects Mail List > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 10, 2019 11:44 AM > *To:* After Effects Mail List > *Subject:* Re: [AE] We can order a new MacPro tomorrow. > > Dennis said: "As far as the new Mac Pro goes, I=E2=80=99m withholding ju= dgment > until I see how Redshift, Octane and Unity work in their Metal incarnatio= ns > on the new machines." > > This is totally where our motion department is right now. We're running > propped up cheesegraters with 1080 cards in them, would probably all pref= er > to use OSX if we could, but it's going to come down to support for the > software we need to use. Which, in addition to AE, is C4D, Octane, > Redshift, Houdini, and a little bit of Nuke and Maya/Arnold. > > From the day of the announcement, I was worried about them not having > Nvidia cards and how that is going to play out with a bunch of software > companies that have larger user bases on Windows/Nvidia to support. > > We actually have the budget to spend a bunch of money on computers but it= s > just feeling so hard to justify the Mac Pro for reasons in addition to > price. Very curious to see what the price differential for comparable > hardware ends up being. It's not even a question which way I'd go if it > was my own money. > > This has been a good discussion to read. Thank y'all, > - Nathan > > On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 8:35 AM Mike Abbott > wrote: > > > On 10/12/2019 15:55, Stephen van Vuuren wrote: > > Windows OS will never be Mac OS and vice versa. But you can get 99% of > either on either. I move back and forth between both every day... > > > > The other life saving application on Windows: Directory Opus: > https://www.gpsoft.com.au/ > > Think of it as Windows Explorer with a PhD. > > > > Mike > > > --000000000000cf93b1059a657a1a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Congrats!
Did you go with an AfterBurner card?

Please share AE render results.

= Put in an order for one as well but VAR will take a bit to deliver.


On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 1:07 PM Jim Curtis <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
I just returned home with mine, and have started a clean = install of everything.


On Dec 23, 2019, at 1:48 PM, Stephen van Vuuren <AE-List@media-motion.tv>= wrote:

If you have not seen t= his two looks at a complete hardware teardown and test of PCIe expansion op= tions, they are must view:
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Mixed bags of news for = those thinking buying base model and upgrading. RAM, yes, CPU, yes, PCIe SS= Ds, yes with some caveats. GPUs and other cards, YMMV.
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The one thing missing is uncle= ar how Apple will respond to all of these upgrades =E2=80=93 only the memor= y and approved PCI cards/storage kit(s) is clear from what I can tell.
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It does appear= there is a lot of wisdom in waiting the first round out to see if third pa= rty (especially internal cables) and hack world opens up the box.=
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And absolutely conf= irms that the thing is ridiculously overengineered with crazy markup margin= s, so unless you are going to load it with top end config, that engineering= goes to waste. It=E2=80=99s simply impossible to configure a reasonable pr= ice performance rig out of it at this time.
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stephen van vuuren
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http://www.sv2studios.com/<= /span>
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A film is =E2=80=93 or should be =E2=80=93 more like music th= an like fiction. It should be a progression of moods and feelings. The them= e, what=E2=80=99s behind the emotion, the meaning, all that comes later.
=E2= =80=93Stanley Kubrick
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From:=C2=A0After Effects Mail List &= lt;AE-List@media-motion.tv>= =C2=A0
Sent:=C2=A0Tuesday, December 10, 2019 = 11:44 AM
To:=C2=A0After Effects Mail List <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
Subject:= =C2=A0Re: [AE] We can order a new MacPro tomorrow.<= u>
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Dennis said:= =C2=A0 "As far as the new Mac Pro goes, I=E2=80=99m withholding judgme= nt until I see how Redshift, Octane and Unity work in their Metal incarnati= ons on the new machines."
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This is totally where our motion depar= tment is right now.=C2=A0 We're running propped up cheesegraters with 1= 080 cards in them, would probably all prefer to use OSX if we could, but it= 's going to come down to support for the software we need to use.=C2=A0= Which, in addition to AE, is C4D, Octane, Redshift, Houdini, and a little = bit of Nuke and Maya/Arnold.
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From the day of the announcement, = I was worried about them not having Nvidia cards and how that is going to p= lay out with a bunch of software companies=C2=A0that have larger user bases= on Windows/Nvidia to support.
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We actually have the budget to s= pend a bunch of money on computers but its just feeling so hard to justify = the Mac Pro for reasons in addition to price.=C2=A0 Very curious to see wha= t the price differential for comparable hardware ends up being.=C2=A0 It= 9;s not even a question which way I'd go if it was my own money.=
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This has been a good discussion to read.=C2=A0 Thank y'all,
=C2=A0- Nathan
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On Tue, Dec 1= 0, 2019 at 8:35 AM Mike Abbott <AE-Li= st@media-motion.tv> wrote:

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On 10/12/2019 15:55, S= tephen van Vuuren wrote:
Windows OS will never be Mac O= S and vice versa. But you can get 99% of either on either.=C2=A0 I move bac= k and forth between both every day...

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The other life saving application on Windows= : Directory Opus:=C2=A0https://= www.gpsoft.com.au/

Think of it as Windows Explo= rer with a PhD.

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Mike


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