From: "Jim Curtis" Received: from sonic306-24.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com ([98.137.68.87] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 7483166 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 23 Dec 2019 22:23:38 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=flash.net; s=s2048; t=1577136216; bh=jrXidsTWDb1shVELKlRyPhd113QaC7BhxY/keGJfh+I=; h=From:Subject:Date:References:To:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=PIUbaED/bQIyF4T5NlfUDr4f8bB/bPozvKkBQuTvF3Rtzb9z1uuAbLK3bOIMlKGZlPnG8zFnxZy6XbxihMGumc67fNRuJY3Ed21m8urY3QdBQQk2QBgb5NYmlyOR5lg7rXQBsbUs/Z/+5OClIu2Nb9IXqqjsvyD8FrjzgIgCcQLk4Yg7islXjtcJ36CCfCrzGHYG7mTOOoLv+FsvFZnhWdCsHKT7lNalvia+AarC79pvnjCy+e7S4vsj/nxUlEQzScWrIBOJ9U8inmEeK5lTXi57hwRBxlw2FECysMc/Qw0dharOsph3xmVTtm/t5MrP6BGHAGDO0pOW9P+I6EJc9g== X-YMail-OSG: 1XfgvM8VM1lzYeseTlL5ZNYpFbxo5ucg_BB563gJRhtgMXP5y_mUdxpyzY_o0g5 ZOb_BFO9gm7TmFwQDL6MIzkLct8MumxawBMHTepgFYnrAw8RlQmF_FfirJuZBaLZFLrvy4KJ2MvT TF.PXWlkO8Pv4eyh58iYHun.7gq6wO9aqKa6LqZDczoRwZqg9Te8kmnGglxaIg8SQt0RrutQDzqG 0QDZvZQA5bgTgjvwZ9TxnoYB0VkBl6otp7GJ4sbmJp4awSjCNzNdDC3Jgpiq03qn8hz.ytwHwOqt 4Cn8J56eoDcO1MS6CRmfUIVkYqoD8hq2WekXIAUpsVW86nI_Qmdde3KjwxOCQhA.lhZeMPyfAD1r XlDig.ieDEKR_YFE98yyynNNGTNiwcic0484cZfzFL4NJqzQi2TfehPiKZ_DqmuP9WVb79kumWaU fsyeu1BIpf2ADS8Aw6gBB12QyJYWADD2TOJPhWXi1uTQfsrz5zYAP6agGmHwXr2lLMSdugSRI89u DeVcFupSS19VQ4pYE6DM9Mhwab_RfTw3IAxdQUj1u1S9AM297T_577dkX15upwlS7Lqn3rEs1q0L JJPKXwDHMZYO4GmdO404.DrGExOq6XHh0f8816iZmMcENEhgtTUkfXXIy9_eK3CCZJhQjQaKjhWE 06cV6dCpTHHfm5hRHRA24L6dkm5AzbHzXd.OEcxgviGgwd.9zIyqYFv80b36dx.cp8fYss6HWbF7 K_PL4Rmbbf6hwy.532EwGZZHAzswoAH1Pjr7iHMKDoFaXQAiX3NRQciw0DnKN9qSePhdtrNB6PGv cr2F1Ky8hgr2ldMD21maGKLfWB5HAEzedi2jXuRsysr475Vsu1d3huQhCaIaFEo2b_CCR5G8TfzN Tt_AEwOJF3I6YMOsygLNkUcBwNiyKjhNC7HNrVyQXU2DYgVlMMGR3QH.Qo.fEBwcGHh4TBsvx_.Y I7pnSwM.gu5bKXJgOLawWNz.8ir43IOWHnl8WdWwT_OtmQZ7eIxom95ElalJU_1xW41BPNARgV1l wDrUQQotxFNmbqGXCrwVi5kEbTbcD4wSrtCZD_JdmLyrwY__oIWFqjBNhi6_O4sO0oc9Z1l2fstV PfhV2FTH3WlZs9eswCJjS8_9Xk189ertbeIh5e9GHNEiAxhrhjlcS_vJ8uDLB5fjNHMWGnGbe9QP v2vW_x1Jo2FQfo_IAog_vuPwaQAstvpq38wGkBBFprtUqlbUQzXfbpbjZSvOsO7UBpyprq4wrJUn MLvHZez1Nd2DJWH7dgGe.1gxE05v7wsVLUFmHjCanR.IrrUopT6kuNGuVzH34V_u2rGF6I7aWRer 0tlfEPVShnfgFWhloFteea1DCDbp0GYSKcmTYLuBOQX9m9qmdwStxRCHsndJJGWdM0fmTyIgzJjX KA4uWJ1pLlawh1YAC22Ctb5r2CHbKMvSdosnLo.SPkgu5rNyQ Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic306.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Mon, 23 Dec 2019 21:23:36 +0000 Received: by smtp429.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID e8827469c1fb40a1b720c6b4c5b41628; Mon, 23 Dec 2019 21:23:34 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_3C7DB19D-FA27-41C1-92D4-5825A92DBFD7" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Subject: Re: [AE] Must watch Mac Pro models Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2019 15:23:32 -0600 References: To: After Effects Mail List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <8F772991-19E2-4B34-8D4F-4AF306BFFF57@flash.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Content-Length: 22119 --Apple-Mail=_3C7DB19D-FA27-41C1-92D4-5825A92DBFD7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 No, because I haven=E2=80=99t been given any ProRes RAW to work with = yet, so I can get the Afterburner later, if that starts to happen. I=E2=80=99m in Dallas, ordered from a VAR last Tuesday, and it got here = from Austin today. I was expecting a January time frame. Nice = surprise! =20 This=E2=80=99ll let me take my time with a clean install of all my apps = and plugs over the holidays. Most of my clients take the week off = between the 24th and the 2nd. So, there=E2=80=99s no rush to get it on = line and working. I watched ALL the 2019 Mac Pro YouTubes over the weekend, except for = some redundant unboxing versions. I think I may have overbought CPUs (I = got 24), but my experience is that in the past, I wish I=E2=80=99d = bought a higher end computer after a few months. And, I=E2=80=99ve had = a good year, so I have a hefty Sec. 179 expense to deduct. Since RenderGarden maxes out the CPUs on my old cheese grater, I expect = rendering will be the blink of an eye for most of my projects. I will = keep you posted. > On Dec 23, 2019, at 3:11 PM, jamie wrote: >=20 > Congrats! > Did you go with an AfterBurner card? >=20 > Please share AE render results. >=20 > Put in an order for one as well but VAR will take a bit to deliver. >=20 >=20 > On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 1:07 PM Jim Curtis > wrote: > I just returned home with mine, and have started a clean install of = everything. >=20 >=20 >> On Dec 23, 2019, at 1:48 PM, Stephen van Vuuren = > wrote: >>=20 >> If you have not seen this two looks at a complete hardware teardown = and test of PCIe expansion options, they are must view: >> =20 >> https://youtu.be/xQGfVFpMpuQ >> =20 >> & >> =20 >> https://youtu.be/I0PnVHHTX1E >> =20 >> Mixed bags of news for those thinking buying base model and = upgrading. RAM, yes, CPU, yes, PCIe SSDs, yes with some caveats. GPUs = and other cards, YMMV. >> =20 >> The one thing missing is unclear how Apple will respond to all of = these upgrades =E2=80=93 only the memory and approved PCI cards/storage = kit(s) is clear from what I can tell. >> =20 >> It does appear there is a lot of wisdom in waiting the first round = out to see if third party (especially internal cables) and hack world = opens up the box. >> =20 >> And absolutely confirms that the thing is ridiculously overengineered = with crazy markup margins, so unless you are going to load it with top = end config, that engineering goes to waste. It=E2=80=99s simply = impossible to configure a reasonable price performance rig out of it at = this time. >> =20 >> Best, >> =20 >> stephen van vuuren >> 336.202.4777 >> =20 >> http://www.insaturnsrings.com/ >> http://www.sv2dcp.com/ >> http://www.sv2studios.com/ >> =20 >> A film is =E2=80=93 or should be =E2=80=93 more like music than like = fiction. It should be a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, = what=E2=80=99s behind the emotion, the meaning, all that comes later. >> =E2=80=93Stanley Kubrick >> =20 >> From: After Effects Mail List >=20 >> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2019 11:44 AM >> To: After Effects Mail List > >> Subject: Re: [AE] We can order a new MacPro tomorrow. >> =20 >> Dennis said: "As far as the new Mac Pro goes, I=E2=80=99m = withholding judgment until I see how Redshift, Octane and Unity work in = their Metal incarnations on the new machines." >> =20 >> This is totally where our motion department is right now. We're = running propped up cheesegraters with 1080 cards in them, would probably = all prefer to use OSX if we could, but it's going to come down to = support for the software we need to use. Which, in addition to AE, is = C4D, Octane, Redshift, Houdini, and a little bit of Nuke and = Maya/Arnold. >> =20 >> =46rom the day of the announcement, I was worried about them not = having Nvidia cards and how that is going to play out with a bunch of = software companies that have larger user bases on Windows/Nvidia to = support. >> =20 >> We actually have the budget to spend a bunch of money on computers = but its just feeling so hard to justify the Mac Pro for reasons in = addition to price. Very curious to see what the price differential for = comparable hardware ends up being. It's not even a question which way = I'd go if it was my own money. >> =20 >> This has been a good discussion to read. Thank y'all, >> - Nathan >> =20 >> On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 8:35 AM Mike Abbott > wrote: >> =20 >>=20 >> On 10/12/2019 15:55, Stephen van Vuuren wrote: >> Windows OS will never be Mac OS and vice versa. But you can get 99% = of either on either. I move back and forth between both every day... >> =20 >>=20 >> The other life saving application on Windows: Directory Opus: = https://www.gpsoft.com.au/ >> >> Think of it as Windows Explorer with a PhD. >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Mike >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_3C7DB19D-FA27-41C1-92D4-5825A92DBFD7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 No, = because I haven=E2=80=99t been given any ProRes RAW to work with yet, so = I can get the Afterburner later, if that starts to happen.

I=E2=80=99m in Dallas, = ordered from a VAR last Tuesday, and it got here from Austin today. =  I was expecting a January time frame.  Nice surprise! =  

This=E2=80= =99ll let me take my time with a clean install of all my apps and plugs = over the holidays.  Most of my clients take the week off between = the 24th and the 2nd.  So, there=E2=80=99s no rush to get it on = line and working.

I watched ALL the 2019 Mac Pro YouTubes over the weekend, = except for some redundant unboxing versions.  I think I may have = overbought CPUs (I got 24), but my experience is that in the past, I = wish I=E2=80=99d bought a higher end computer after a few months. =  And, I=E2=80=99ve had a good year, so I have a hefty Sec. 179 = expense to deduct.

Since RenderGarden maxes out the CPUs on my old cheese = grater, I expect rendering will be the blink of an eye for most of my = projects.  I will keep you posted.



On Dec 23, 2019, at 3:11 PM, jamie <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

Congrats!
Did you go with an AfterBurner = card?

Please = share AE render results.

Put in an order for one as well but VAR will take a bit to = deliver.


On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 1:07 PM Jim Curtis <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
I just returned home with mine, and have started = a clean install of everything.


On Dec 23, 2019, at 1:48 PM, Stephen van = Vuuren <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

If = you have not seen this two looks at a complete hardware teardown and = test of PCIe expansion options, they are must view:
 
https://youtu.be/xQGfVFpMpuQ
 
&
 
https://youtu.be/I0PnVHHTX1E
 
Mixed bags of news for those thinking buying base model and = upgrading. RAM, yes, CPU, yes, PCIe SSDs, yes with some caveats. GPUs = and other cards, YMMV.
 
The= one thing missing is unclear how Apple will respond to all of these = upgrades =E2=80=93 only the memory and approved PCI cards/storage kit(s) = is clear from what I can tell.
 
It = does appear there is a lot of wisdom in waiting the first round out to = see if third party (especially internal cables) and hack world opens up = the box.
 
And= absolutely confirms that the thing is ridiculously overengineered with = crazy markup margins, so unless you are going to load it with top end = config, that engineering goes to waste. It=E2=80=99s simply impossible = to configure a reasonable price performance rig out of it at this = time.
 
Best,
 
stephen van vuuren
336.202.4777
 
http://www.insaturnsrings.com/
http://www.sv2dcp.com/
http://www.sv2studios.com/
 
A film is =E2=80=93 or should = be =E2=80=93 more like music than like fiction. It should be a = progression of moods and feelings. The theme, what=E2=80=99s behind the = emotion, the meaning, all that comes later.
=E2=80=93Stanley = Kubrick
 
From: After Effects Mail = List <AE-List@media-motion.tv> 
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2019 11:44 AM
To: After = Effects Mail List <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
Subject: Re: [AE] We can = order a new MacPro tomorrow.
 
Dennis = said:  "As far as the new Mac Pro goes, I=E2=80=99m withholding = judgment until I see how Redshift, Octane and Unity work in their Metal = incarnations on the new machines."
 
This = is totally where our motion department is right now.  We're running = propped up cheesegraters with 1080 cards in them, would probably all = prefer to use OSX if we could, but it's going to come down to support = for the software we need to use.  Which, in addition to AE, is C4D, = Octane, Redshift, Houdini, and a little bit of Nuke and Maya/Arnold.
 
=46rom = the day of the announcement, I was worried about them not having Nvidia = cards and how that is going to play out with a bunch of software = companies that have larger user bases on Windows/Nvidia to = support.
 
We = actually have the budget to spend a bunch of money on computers but its = just feeling so hard to justify the Mac Pro for reasons in addition to = price.  Very curious to see what the price differential for = comparable hardware ends up being.  It's not even a question which = way I'd go if it was my own money.
 
This = has been a good discussion to read.  Thank y'all,
 -= Nathan
 
On = Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 8:35 AM Mike Abbott <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

 

On = 10/12/2019 15:55, Stephen van Vuuren wrote:
Windows= OS will never be Mac OS and vice versa. But you can get 99% of either = on either.  I move back and forth between both every day...

 

The other life = saving application on Windows: Directory Opus: https://www.gpsoft.com.au/

Think of it as = Windows Explorer with a PhD.

 

Mike



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