From: "Rick Gerard" Received: from bosmailout01.eigbox.net ([66.96.188.1] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 7502409 for ae-list@media-motion.tv; Wed, 05 Feb 2020 05:20:04 +0100 Received: from bosmailscan14.eigbox.net ([10.20.15.14]) by bosmailout01.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1izCAU-0002AF-3d for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 04 Feb 2020 23:20:02 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mstrg.com; s=dkim; h=Sender:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:To:References:Date:Subject: Mime-Version:Content-Type:From:Reply-To:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=t5c3EEL+SqIwWKvdnkUvkEwG2QffjelNWBQUpfvKxGE=; b=mCFCZANkM0hZyP1yv/AVzK6bYV lLSYM6F4H4ZGr0cVF37OD87cjieDj3tRd0ONsqL/wml9iviet0TTheUq23ThZzwbsjZ5XgmlWTUOu KaJJbHSBOky1q9DWRmlNfMVOaTxING+gxrAZEaMPFT31njiyb+1sGAC1cWBYNRfOYF7blqNgzNkqJ RYTvP3IM4LWaNvm6jPSrXa8f6YAoC1gIGpuvgPIoBfaks2HXmf3BfgnriOMXTdawOSu/r/Z2xVKSG FvpxP3GQpLpqoozmKgB6bvQPpA/IYatkUjIAGmKCfgGMY3eElPvwWqrdAhkPm3cF+/up5/KGndTu6 ByRstVxw==; Received: from [10.115.3.31] (helo=bosimpout11) by bosmailscan14.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1izCAU-0003VT-1d for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 04 Feb 2020 23:20:02 -0500 Received: from bosauthsmtp11.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.20.18.11]) by bosimpout11 with id ysKy2100E0EKspE01sL1SD; Tue, 04 Feb 2020 23:20:02 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=RKvDJ8q+ c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=anyYG9rjTBM1sAjEBQ8Cew==:117 a=+fNCsvVYfgsOWX7dqrClyQ==:17 a=jpOVt7BSZ2e4Z31A5e1TngXxSK0=:19 a=l697ptgUJYAA:10 a=MOoPLM9SH6MA:10 a=vJFYNkglAAAA:8 a=jJrOw3FHAAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=RGYJbVKGAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=EmmQ-hcxAAAA:8 a=R2xPsk5xbTQwpbzxP50A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=B6JjN1-AzGUA:10 a=bT7tJCZMApYA:10 a=2LSbbS3xfa4A:10 a=-FEs8UIgK8oA:10 a=NWVoK91CQyQA:10 a=Upd0RTzqs3ka43pCp9cA:9 a=h6s9aCeMesv12Vkn:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=fhK9xwPlOq-gKaZChLds:22 a=lsIkP6lG2H4f0j7eDx0G:22 a=fNdu9qzgYxPB61cffFEB:22 Received: from [69.4.147.69] (port=55177 helo=[192.168.1.12]) by bosauthsmtp11.eigbox.net with esmtpa (Exim) id 1izCAQ-0001Kb-GY for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 04 Feb 2020 23:19:58 -0500 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_5E30FBA3-DF30-4BAB-A807-849D484194E9" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Subject: Re: [AE] Keyframe smoothness Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2020 20:19:56 -0800 References: To: After Effects Mail List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <2B44566A-BF76-4C27-A57A-F8C336B238EF@mstrg.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-EN-UserInfo: c662172581359b31880c5d4c8e0aae06:931c98230c6409dcc37fa7e93b490c27 X-EN-AuthUser: rg@hottek.net Sender: Rick Gerard X-EN-OrigIP: 69.4.147.69 X-EN-OrigHost: unknown --Apple-Mail=_5E30FBA3-DF30-4BAB-A807-849D484194E9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 For that kind of shot I would highly recommend Lockdown. It=E2=80=99s = the only sure fire way that I know of to map something like that = mustache to the face. Here=E2=80=99s the info: https://aescripts.com/lockdown/ https://youtu.be/eGMlQuPILKg The whole project will take you about 15 or 20 minutes with this = script/plug-in. It paid for itself the first time I used it. Rick Gerard DP/VFX Supervisor MovI Pro / ALTA / Licensed Commercial Pilot Fixed Wing and UAV Northern CA 916.472.8085 > On Feb 4, 2020, at 5:09 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk = wrote: >=20 > Well, some progress but seems this should be far easier than I'm = making it. >=20 > I think it comes down to that keyframe graph editor but for the life = of me, I can't seem to figure out what or how to adjust. This smoothed = out a tad by having two extra layers of mustache on the dude (me) and = offsite by a frame. >=20 > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DqrWrjQiOTYI&feature=3Dyoutu.be = =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 8:02 PM Robert & Jenny > wrote: > Hahahaha, If that doesn't work you can give a displacement map precomp = a try as well. Might have some better results :). >=20 > - Robert H >=20 > On 2/4/2020 4:59 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk wrote: >> Well Robert, >>=20 >> The only reason for not using that is not THINKING of it. :) I'll = check that out too. >>=20 >> Eric >>=20 >> On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 7:48 PM Robert & Jenny = > wrote: >> Is there any reason why you aren't using the bulge plugin, placing = the center a tad under the mustache, cranking up the power with some = taper on it and keyframing the center to move from left to right? >>=20 >> - Robert H >>=20 >> On 2/4/2020 4:42 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk wrote: >>> Thanks Rachel, >>>=20 >>> To better understand on the "not enough transform points", can you = elaborate? Since that used Mesh Warp, are you suggest adding more rows = and columns? (2 and 8 now). >>>=20 >>> Eric >>>=20 >>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 7:24 PM Rachel Max > wrote: >>> Hi Eric - I=E2=80=99m just catching up here but my opinion is you = don=E2=80=99t have enough transform points (pos x, y and rotation) to = make this look realistic and timing is off - should be faster. >>>=20 >>> You don=E2=80=99t need fancy plugins for this. >>>=20 >>> Compositing might also need some thought. >>>=20 >>> Keep at it - Rachel >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>> On Feb 4, 2020, at 11:55 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk = > wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> =EF=BB=BF >>>> For those still tracking this, here is a very crude snippet of what = I'm doing. I just wanted to see if I could do the effect note in = Doritos Commercial with Sam Elliott. >>>>=20 >>>> As you can see, the smoothness is horrid. I've tried every = suggestion so far here and it is still very jumpy. >>>>=20 >>>> https://youtu.be/pLyZLqr-hVw >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 5:14 PM jpcurtis > wrote: >>>> I don=E2=80=99t have that effect. It looks like it could be useful = for warping your mustache. There are a few tutorials on aescripts on = how to work it. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>> On Feb 4, 2020, at 3:44 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk = > wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> Thanks Curtis. I actually have that. Would that do it? Never have = used it yet.=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2020, 22:46 jpcurtis > wrote: >>>>> Something like this? >>>>>=20 >>>>> https://aescripts.com/bao-layer-sculptor/ = >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>> On Feb 3, 2020, at 8:48 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk = > wrote: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> That's exactly what I began with. :) but then it wasnt smooth so = might have to try that again. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> I wish there was a way to use a mask as a path except path but = keep the object static and just morph with a curved mask. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2020, 21:45 jpcurtis > wrote: >>>>>> Puppet Tool? >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> > On Feb 3, 2020, at 7:15 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk = > wrote: >>>>>> >=20 >>>>>> > Also, i suppose while I'm asking, any thoughts on best way TO = animate? I'm using mesh warp to animate the mustache right now. >>>>>> \\. >>>>>> +---End of message---+ >>>>>> To unsubscribe send any message to > >>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> --=20 >>>> Eric D. Kirk | Kirk Productions >>>> VFX for Kirk Productions >>>> 443.206.1347 <> >>>> www.kirkproductions.com >>>> kirkproductions@gmail.com >>>> YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/kirkeric = >>>> IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ = >>>> =20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> --=20 >>> Eric D. Kirk | Kirk Productions >>> VFX for Kirk Productions >>> 443.206.1347 <> >>> www.kirkproductions.com >>> kirkproductions@gmail.com >>> YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/kirkeric = >>> IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ = >>> =20 >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> Eric D. Kirk | Kirk Productions >> VFX for Kirk Productions >> 443.206.1347 <> >> www.kirkproductions.com >> kirkproductions@gmail.com >> YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/kirkeric = >> IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ = >> =20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Eric D. Kirk | Kirk Productions > VFX for Kirk Productions > 443.206.1347 <> > www.kirkproductions.com > kirkproductions@gmail.com > YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/kirkeric = > IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ = > =20 --Apple-Mail=_5E30FBA3-DF30-4BAB-A807-849D484194E9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 For = that kind of shot I would highly recommend Lockdown. It=E2=80=99s the = only sure fire way that I know of to map something like that mustache to = the face.

Here=E2=80=99= s the info:
https://aescripts.com/lockdown/

https://youtu.be/eGMlQuPILKg

The whole project will take you about = 15 or 20 minutes with this script/plug-in. It paid for itself the first = time I used it.


Rick Gerard
DP/VFX = Supervisor
MovI Pro / ALTA / Licensed Commercial = Pilot Fixed Wing and UAV
Northern CA
916.472.8085

On Feb 4, 2020, at 5:09 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

Well, some progress but seems this should be far = easier than I'm making it.

I think it comes down to that keyframe = graph editor but for the life of me, I can't seem to figure out what or = how to adjust.  This smoothed out a tad by having two extra layers = of mustache on the dude (me) and offsite by a frame.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DqrWrjQiOTYI&feature=3Dyou= tu.be 

 

On Tue, Feb = 4, 2020 at 8:02 PM Robert & Jenny <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
=20 =20 =20

Hahahaha, If that doesn't work you can = give a displacement map precomp a try as well. Might have some better results :).

    - Robert H

On 2/4/2020 4:59 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk wrote:
=20
Well Robert,

The only reason for not using that is not = THINKING of it. :)  I'll check that out too.

Eric

On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at = 7:48 PM Robert & Jenny <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

Is there any reason why you = aren't using the bulge plugin, placing the center a tad under the mustache, cranking up the power with some taper on it and keyframing the center to move from left to right?

    - Robert H

On 2/4/2020 4:42 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk = wrote:
Thanks Rachel,

To better understand on the "not enough = transform points", can you elaborate?  Since that used Mesh Warp, are you suggest adding more rows and = columns?  (2 and 8 now).

Eric

On Tue, Feb 4, = 2020 at 7:24 PM Rachel Max <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
Hi Eric - I=E2=80=99m = just catching up here but my opinion is you don=E2=80=99t have enough transform points (pos x, y and rotation) to make this look realistic and timing is off - should be faster.

You don=E2=80=99t need = fancy plugins for this.

Compositing might also = need some thought.

Keep at it - = Rachel



On Feb 4, = 2020, at 11:55 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
For those still tracking = this, here is a very crude snippet of what I'm = doing.  I just wanted to see if I could do the effect note in Doritos Commercial with Sam Elliott.

As you can see, the = smoothness is horrid.  I've tried every suggestion = so far here and it is still very jumpy.

https://youtu.be/pLyZLqr-hVw



On = Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 5:14 PM jpcurtis <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
I don=E2=80=99t have that = effect.  It looks like it could be useful for warping your mustache.  There are a few = tutorials on aescripts on how to work it.


On Feb 4, 2020, at = 3:44 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

Thanks Curtis. I = actually have that.  Would that do = it? Never have used it = yet. 

On Mon, Feb 3, 2020, 22:46 jpcurtis <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
Something = like this?

https://aescripts.com/bao-layer-sculptor/



On = Feb 3, 2020, at 8:48 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

That's exactly what I began = with.  :) but then it wasnt smooth so might have to try that again.

I wish there was a way to use a mask as a path except path but keep the object static and just morph with a curved mask.



On Mon, Feb 3, 2020, 21:45 jpcurtis <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
Puppet Tool?

> On Feb 3, 2020, at 7:15 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
>
> Also, i suppose while I'm asking, any thoughts on best way TO animate? I'm using mesh warp to animate the mustache right now.
\\.
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Eric = D. Kirk | Kirk Productions
VFX = for Kirk Productions
443.206.1347
www.kirkproductions.com
kirkproductions@gmail.com
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/kirkeric
IMDB: = http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/
=
 


--
Eric D. Kirk | = Kirk Productions
VFX for Kirk = Productions
443.206.1347
www.kirkproductions.com
kirkproductions@gmail.com
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/kirkeric
IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/
 


--
Eric D. Kirk | Kirk = Productions
VFX for Kirk = Productions
443.206.1347
www.kirkproductions.com
kirkproductions@gmail.com
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/kirkeric
IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/
 

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