From: "Matthew Tompkins" Received: from mail-wm1-f44.google.com ([209.85.128.44] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 7502432 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 05 Feb 2020 10:15:31 +0100 Received: by mail-wm1-f44.google.com with SMTP id t23so1563965wmi.1 for ; Wed, 05 Feb 2020 01:15:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=oo2MBVSM5DhGZAjcE7xhNIuljzKwyYfUupitD8PRiQA=; b=hGwy+N0w8S0M4X5jmijrJM6I1MnvEpJBYv70PWGsLTRk3vg2aeRqceQLrr1+jTf/Gk XniOq5TKmqFcJ2BEBZPOIOspnXWCaE2+P0xwVktu2+rertKfDihAUXn/kw6+KaC/9WY/ fQYjn7uRbUDY49KeAM7V6aCq42UxVZ66BtBf+OjaP5sbrDGqrzT+Or+rHq/7XPQ8caI5 +2xrOtlyzBYDoL5lB5FV0TxdmKBnHAdHzWGGfF4xSFzfyKJIo+I+LijuvBZaLbzN5ibU XWNs9xBwubA5pnpCdA/M9vZbKAJcD4Uekce9UaPdoR2psG9zG2Ztvc3OaBd909oNoZE9 D2wQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=oo2MBVSM5DhGZAjcE7xhNIuljzKwyYfUupitD8PRiQA=; b=PRwKNinzNV5gvwEZDT81hz86hVd+zirZ+jRrBOjM5c1vpPGG5by+5jXvSFg2j/0um5 cuNjqA0HgmCctibqhPHaKbjWKn31BCeyEykX7tF6UtQSLqmGRmeSPNZK54jvwUd2oqtv kRpZyC6Ta46m0vuUbdl5U2Sv2kslobS7jt1Mma+pDF97eu9MsgEmJyeFmuT1YkLBEO54 gcV5z8BOu+Hk6QyQ2uxITnfMZA2XFDDA6EMkgtstV9MxorMTQEaLreqV0PV80844/wza RP6bLuUr3wdJc9YnWdyhJLAxaRGtiPChozHFpMr9R++bUctrf1CcKHfeSmXzrKjxcRxJ 4IoA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVt3OqlPbql2kSD3Pie1mSFyMxPNSTE3uhCOhq9AiMNsVTTTL15 pAHemDoYB0aNw4v8i20+IM/iKGBGLcMXqDShwAyl6Vzg X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyn5ReIClFPs+97ckAVOuMNeQXifU1iqZWoKz+Rivab4nMCRp4+PqJTF2tfjuGz5hDa21WiS3xJqcAmuX5rfDU= X-Received: by 2002:a7b:c450:: with SMTP id l16mr4352399wmi.166.1580894129878; Wed, 05 Feb 2020 01:15:29 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 09:15:24 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] Keyframe smoothness To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000009fe74059dd099ee" --00000000000009fe74059dd099ee Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I second the info on the graph editor. Yes, its fiddly, but its the only way to really nail the timing and the spacing in AE. On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 4:20 AM Rick Gerard wrote: > For that kind of shot I would highly recommend Lockdown. It=E2=80=99s the= only > sure fire way that I know of to map something like that mustache to the > face. > > Here=E2=80=99s the info: > https://aescripts.com/lockdown/ > > https://youtu.be/eGMlQuPILKg > > The whole project will take you about 15 or 20 minutes with this > script/plug-in. It paid for itself the first time I used it. > > > *Rick Gerard* > DP/VFX Supervisor > MovI Pro / ALTA / Licensed Commercial Pilot Fixed Wing and UAV > Northern CA > 916.472.8085 > > On Feb 4, 2020, at 5:09 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk > wrote: > > Well, some progress but seems this should be far easier than I'm making i= t. > > I think it comes down to that keyframe graph editor but for the life of > me, I can't seem to figure out what or how to adjust. This smoothed out = a > tad by having two extra layers of mustache on the dude (me) and offsite b= y > a frame. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DqrWrjQiOTYI&feature=3Dyoutu.be > > > > On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 8:02 PM Robert & Jenny > wrote: > >> Hahahaha, If that doesn't work you can give a displacement map precomp a >> try as well. Might have some better results :). >> >> - Robert H >> On 2/4/2020 4:59 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk wrote: >> >> Well Robert, >> >> The only reason for not using that is not THINKING of it. :) I'll check >> that out too. >> >> Eric >> >> On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 7:48 PM Robert & Jenny >> wrote: >> >>> Is there any reason why you aren't using the bulge plugin, placing the >>> center a tad under the mustache, cranking up the power with some taper = on >>> it and keyframing the center to move from left to right? >>> >>> - Robert H >>> On 2/4/2020 4:42 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk wrote: >>> >>> Thanks Rachel, >>> >>> To better understand on the "not enough transform points", can you >>> elaborate? Since that used Mesh Warp, are you suggest adding more rows= and >>> columns? (2 and 8 now). >>> >>> Eric >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 7:24 PM Rachel Max >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Eric - I=E2=80=99m just catching up here but my opinion is you don= =E2=80=99t have >>>> enough transform points (pos x, y and rotation) to make this look real= istic >>>> and timing is off - should be faster. >>>> >>>> You don=E2=80=99t need fancy plugins for this. >>>> >>>> Compositing might also need some thought. >>>> >>>> Keep at it - Rachel >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Feb 4, 2020, at 11:55 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> =EF=BB=BF >>>> For those still tracking this, here is a very crude snippet of what I'= m >>>> doing. I just wanted to see if I could do the effect note in Doritos >>>> Commercial with Sam Elliott. >>>> >>>> As you can see, the smoothness is horrid. I've tried every suggestion >>>> so far here and it is still very jumpy. >>>> >>>> https://youtu.be/pLyZLqr-hVw >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 5:14 PM jpcurtis >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I don=E2=80=99t have that effect. It looks like it could be useful f= or >>>>> warping your mustache. There are a few tutorials on aescripts on how= to >>>>> work it. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Feb 4, 2020, at 3:44 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Thanks Curtis. I actually have that. Would that do it? Never have >>>>> used it yet. >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2020, 22:46 jpcurtis wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Something like this? >>>>>> >>>>>> https://aescripts.com/bao-layer-sculptor/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 3, 2020, at 8:48 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> That's exactly what I began with. :) but then it wasnt smooth so >>>>>> might have to try that again. >>>>>> >>>>>> I wish there was a way to use a mask as a path except path but keep >>>>>> the object static and just morph with a curved mask. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2020, 21:45 jpcurtis wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Puppet Tool? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > On Feb 3, 2020, at 7:15 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk < >>>>>>> AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Also, i suppose while I'm asking, any thoughts on best way TO >>>>>>> animate? I'm using mesh warp to animate the mustache right now. >>>>>>> \\. >>>>>>> +---End of message---+ >>>>>>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> * Eric D. Kirk | Kirk Productions VFX for Kirk Productions 443.206.134= 7 >>>> www.kirkproductions.com >>>> kirkproductions@gmail.com YouTube: >>>> https://www.youtube.com/user/kirkeric >>>> IMDB: >>>> http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ * >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> * Eric D. Kirk | Kirk Productions VFX for Kirk Productions 443.206.1347 >>> www.kirkproductions.com >>> kirkproductions@gmail.com YouTube: >>> https://www.youtube.com/user/kirkeric >>> IMDB: >>> http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ * >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> >> >> * Eric D. Kirk | Kirk Productions VFX for Kirk Productions 443.206.1347 >> www.kirkproductions.com >> kirkproductions@gmail.com YouTube: >> https://www.youtube.com/user/kirkeric >> IMDB: >> http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ * >> >> >> > > -- > > > *Eric D. Kirk | Kirk ProductionsVFX for Kirk > Productions443.206.1347www.kirkproductions.com > kirkproductions@gmail.com > YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/kirkeric > IMDB: > http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ = * > > > > --00000000000009fe74059dd099ee Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I second the info on the graph editor. Yes, its fiddly, bu= t its the only way to really nail the timing and the spacing in AE.
On Wed, = Feb 5, 2020 at 4:20 AM Rick Gerard <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
For= that kind of shot I would highly recommend Lockdown. It=E2=80=99s the only= sure fire way that I know of to map something like that mustache to the fa= ce.

Here=E2=80=99s the info:


Th= e whole project will take you about 15 or 20 minutes with this script/plug-= in. It paid for itself the first time I used it.

<= br>
Rick Gerard
DP/VFX= Supervisor
MovI Pro / ALTA / Licensed Commercial Pilot Fixed Win= g and UAV
Northern CA
916.472.8085

On Feb 4, 2020, at 5:09 PM, Mr. Eri= c D. Kirk <= AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

Well,= some progress but seems this should be far easier=C2=A0than I'm making= it.

I think it comes down to that keyframe graph ed= itor but for the life of me, I can't seem to figure out what or how to = adjust.=C2=A0 This smoothed out a tad by having two extra layers of mustach= e on the dude (me) and offsite by a frame.


=C2=A0

On Tue, Feb = 4, 2020 at 8:02 PM Robert & Jenny <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
=20 =20 =20

Hahahaha, If that doesn't work you can give a displacement ma= p precomp a try as well. Might have some better results :).

=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 - Robert H

On 2/4/2020 4:59 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk wrote:
=20
Well Robert,

The only reason for not using that is not THINKING of it. :)=C2=A0 I'll check that out too.

Eric

On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 7:48 P= M Robert & Jenny <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

Is there any reason why you aren't using the bulge plugin, placing the center a tad under the mustache, cranking up the power with some taper on it and keyframing the center to move from left to right?

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 - Robert H

On 2/4/2020 4:42 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk wrote:
Thanks Rachel,

To better understand on the "not enough transform points", can you elaborate?=C2=A0 Since that used Me= sh Warp, are you suggest adding more rows and columns?=C2=A0 (2 and 8 now).

Eric

On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 7:24 PM Rachel Max <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
Hi Eric - I=E2=80=99m just catching = up here but my opinion is you don=E2=80=99t have enough transform points (pos x, y and rotation) to make this look realistic and timing is off - should be faster.

You don=E2=80=99t need fancy plugins= for this.

Compositing might also need some thought.

Keep at it - Rachel



On Feb 4, 2020, at 11:55 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
For those still tracking this, here is a very crude snippet of what I'm doing.= =C2=A0 I just wanted to see if I could do the effect note in Doritos Commercial with Sam Elliott.

As you can see, the smoothness is horrid.=C2=A0 I've tried every suggestion= so far here and it is still very jumpy.




On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 5:14 PM jpcurtis <AE-List@media-motion.= tv> wrote:
I don=E2=80=99t have that effect.=C2=A0 = It looks like it could be useful for warping your mustache.=C2=A0 There are a few tutorials o= n aescripts on how to work it.


On Feb 4, 2020, at 3:44 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

Thanks Curtis. I actually have that.=C2=A0 Would that do it= ? Never have used it yet.=C2=A0

On Mon, Feb 3, 2020, 22:46 jpcurtis <AE-List@media-motion.tv>= ; wrote:
Something like this?




On Feb 3, 2020, at 8:48 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk <AE-Li= st@media-motion.tv> wrote:

That's exactly what I began with.=C2=A0 :) but then it wasnt smooth so might have to try that again.

I wish there was a way to use a mask as a path except path but keep the object static and just morph with a curved mask.



On Mon, Feb 3, 2020, 21:45 jpcurtis <AE-List@m= edia-motion.tv> wrote:
Puppet Tool?

> On Feb 3, 2020, at 7:15 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
>
> Also, i suppose while I'm asking, any thoughts on best way TO animate? I'm using mesh warp to animate the mustache right now.
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