From: "Mr. Eric D. Kirk" Received: from mail-ot1-f45.google.com ([209.85.210.45] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 7502477 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 05 Feb 2020 15:18:19 +0100 Received: by mail-ot1-f45.google.com with SMTP id 66so2016459otd.9 for ; Wed, 05 Feb 2020 06:18:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=kAHJ0c7ugDx/aGjW/vqdGbhxAHXGIn7d7vSCUYyiE/Q=; b=KhRXCPUGYmde0ywJpxwp+bDn8H5oK3qB1LvSPtECm9T4Y/dJ2nqDsFoJjX67Gr1Nhg S6sPg9U9O5KXhi1Nvxw23yjRbM5i2Sg9EgljoQkAUqN6t+rybM/Xfb+rgvitmLOvQM1D ekvzuQ0uFxGLwA7MMeU/r4h2Thuds3dY2LBuLC1B3bh3LON1fsMtXn/R2KUmJ89MdoeG kfM6QJ+X1nnrR0OfaHG7ZtXbKcLNCSyAPKigfzt7c21WAqUm/dpDHugPnWE8CAqxOsjx jbvvh1hFB6WYJ+zVLDxCm9gpbUg87VKk/DAfgceLlIq5CRF5bXfSzWkXetRpxJxTHKjV lqBg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=kAHJ0c7ugDx/aGjW/vqdGbhxAHXGIn7d7vSCUYyiE/Q=; b=UUUyiL9mOc/e1DxaQSiWwd2lzFaM6+uOKbjBaNz0EOAnldfxQRV9AwVRQu1wZQZ3KL cNooL2SjNTeoOwYgowyOIBm2NYI2XHjViMxlw2NfeQd/wTAgOQ++SEStp+W5k01i5j4B cti/FUhdG0XuE00q3PXBRuTms3lrDinTjVxXhqALxR2hyWL9lwdx4tWVaO8m8eGaIoiK ANeXFkqspig5+0duJJY7Hjfqve/6HIJn4ivE6j/PM9jzdSRuAHi7QMkKYWpiu7kHIlE6 XcS5eTrw8pAhOkSaXcnVHP0EOFAAxFkijqIj4cq1iNB5X3ndsquoIlUcF2sFqQysuI+q GeiA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVUrsK5kQGX4YJrqPRSJs6llHL2UEFQUslpnlFgWvOc45GiTDf8 50YMmtgYFfEiZd8fzC+J1jCIyt+hcUhoW9OpT7vr28HV X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwkJteH8kd6KqShg/6KWMFGq0t35imJiBzzaQjdVN42iExVgNPnOwTJ74fleNNBFXiMTCPNKdV+FGXldzK5icc= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:21c5:: with SMTP id s63mr18459348otb.142.1580912296567; Wed, 05 Feb 2020 06:18:16 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 09:17:49 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] Keyframe smoothness To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000dbacdc059dd4d36e" --000000000000dbacdc059dd4d36e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rick, Well that sure is some plug in there! Sounds like something I'd like for this or other things. The only reservation I'd have for this project is it seems fantastic to "lock" down and map to face but not sure it has the animation characteristics to make the mustache move like in my example. It's fairly locked in place now and I used Mocha and a stabilized precomp (Mocha Import) to do that. The trouble I'm having is with the animation. Eric On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 11:20 PM Rick Gerard wrote= : > For that kind of shot I would highly recommend Lockdown. It=E2=80=99s the= only > sure fire way that I know of to map something like that mustache to the > face. > > Here=E2=80=99s the info: > https://aescripts.com/lockdown/ > > https://youtu.be/eGMlQuPILKg > > The whole project will take you about 15 or 20 minutes with this > script/plug-in. It paid for itself the first time I used it. > > > *Rick Gerard* > DP/VFX Supervisor > MovI Pro / ALTA / Licensed Commercial Pilot Fixed Wing and UAV > Northern CA > 916.472.8085 > > On Feb 4, 2020, at 5:09 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk > wrote: > > Well, some progress but seems this should be far easier than I'm making i= t. > > I think it comes down to that keyframe graph editor but for the life of > me, I can't seem to figure out what or how to adjust. This smoothed out = a > tad by having two extra layers of mustache on the dude (me) and offsite b= y > a frame. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DqrWrjQiOTYI&feature=3Dyoutu.be > > > > On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 8:02 PM Robert & Jenny > wrote: > >> Hahahaha, If that doesn't work you can give a displacement map precomp a >> try as well. Might have some better results :). >> >> - Robert H >> On 2/4/2020 4:59 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk wrote: >> >> Well Robert, >> >> The only reason for not using that is not THINKING of it. :) I'll check >> that out too. >> >> Eric >> >> On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 7:48 PM Robert & Jenny >> wrote: >> >>> Is there any reason why you aren't using the bulge plugin, placing the >>> center a tad under the mustache, cranking up the power with some taper = on >>> it and keyframing the center to move from left to right? >>> >>> - Robert H >>> On 2/4/2020 4:42 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk wrote: >>> >>> Thanks Rachel, >>> >>> To better understand on the "not enough transform points", can you >>> elaborate? Since that used Mesh Warp, are you suggest adding more rows= and >>> columns? (2 and 8 now). >>> >>> Eric >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 7:24 PM Rachel Max >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Eric - I=E2=80=99m just catching up here but my opinion is you don= =E2=80=99t have >>>> enough transform points (pos x, y and rotation) to make this look real= istic >>>> and timing is off - should be faster. >>>> >>>> You don=E2=80=99t need fancy plugins for this. >>>> >>>> Compositing might also need some thought. >>>> >>>> Keep at it - Rachel >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Feb 4, 2020, at 11:55 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> =EF=BB=BF >>>> For those still tracking this, here is a very crude snippet of what I'= m >>>> doing. I just wanted to see if I could do the effect note in Doritos >>>> Commercial with Sam Elliott. >>>> >>>> As you can see, the smoothness is horrid. I've tried every suggestion >>>> so far here and it is still very jumpy. >>>> >>>> https://youtu.be/pLyZLqr-hVw >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 5:14 PM jpcurtis >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I don=E2=80=99t have that effect. It looks like it could be useful f= or >>>>> warping your mustache. There are a few tutorials on aescripts on how= to >>>>> work it. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Feb 4, 2020, at 3:44 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Thanks Curtis. I actually have that. Would that do it? Never have >>>>> used it yet. >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2020, 22:46 jpcurtis wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Something like this? >>>>>> >>>>>> https://aescripts.com/bao-layer-sculptor/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 3, 2020, at 8:48 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> That's exactly what I began with. :) but then it wasnt smooth so >>>>>> might have to try that again. >>>>>> >>>>>> I wish there was a way to use a mask as a path except path but keep >>>>>> the object static and just morph with a curved mask. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2020, 21:45 jpcurtis wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Puppet Tool? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > On Feb 3, 2020, at 7:15 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk < >>>>>>> AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Also, i suppose while I'm asking, any thoughts on best way TO >>>>>>> animate? I'm using mesh warp to animate the mustache right now. >>>>>>> \\. >>>>>>> +---End of message---+ >>>>>>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> * Eric D. Kirk | Kirk Productions VFX for Kirk Productions 443.206.134= 7 >>>> www.kirkproductions.com >>>> kirkproductions@gmail.com YouTube: >>>> https://www.youtube.com/user/kirkeric >>>> IMDB: >>>> http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ * >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> * Eric D. Kirk | Kirk Productions VFX for Kirk Productions 443.206.1347 >>> www.kirkproductions.com >>> kirkproductions@gmail.com YouTube: >>> https://www.youtube.com/user/kirkeric >>> IMDB: >>> http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ * >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> >> >> * Eric D. Kirk | Kirk Productions VFX for Kirk Productions 443.206.1347 >> www.kirkproductions.com >> kirkproductions@gmail.com YouTube: >> https://www.youtube.com/user/kirkeric >> IMDB: >> http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ * >> >> >> > > -- > > > *Eric D. 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Rick,

Well that sure is some plug in th= ere!=C2=A0 Sounds like something I'd like for this or other things.=C2= =A0 The only reservation I'd have for this project is it seems fantasti= c to "lock" down and map to face but not sure it has the animatio= n characteristics to make the mustache move like in my example.=C2=A0 It= 9;s fairly locked in place now and I used Mocha and a stabilized precomp (M= ocha Import) to do that.

The trouble I'm havin= g is with the animation.

Eric

On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 = at 11:20 PM Rick Gerard <AE-L= ist@media-motion.tv> wrote:
For that kind of shot I would highly recommend Lockdo= wn. It=E2=80=99s the only sure fire way that I know of to map something lik= e that mustache to the face.

Here=E2=80=99s the info:

https://youtu.be/eGMlQuPILKg

The whole project will take you about 15 or 20 minut= es with this script/plug-in. It paid for itself the first time I used it.


Rick Gerard=
DP/VFX Supervisor
MovI Pro / ALTA / Licensed Co= mmercial Pilot Fixed Wing and UAV
Northern CA
916.472.8= 085

On Feb 4, 2020, at 5:09 PM, Mr. Eri= c D. Kirk <= AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

Well,= some progress but seems this should be far easier=C2=A0than I'm making= it.

I think it comes down to that keyframe graph ed= itor but for the life of me, I can't seem to figure out what or how to = adjust.=C2=A0 This smoothed out a tad by having two extra layers of mustach= e on the dude (me) and offsite by a frame.


=C2=A0

On Tue, Feb = 4, 2020 at 8:02 PM Robert & Jenny <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
=20 =20 =20

Hahahaha, If that doesn't work you can give a displacement ma= p precomp a try as well. Might have some better results :).

=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 - Robert H

On 2/4/2020 4:59 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk wrote:
=20
Well Robert,

The only reason for not using that is not THINKING of it. :)=C2=A0 I'll check that out too.

Eric

On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 7:48 P= M Robert & Jenny <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

Is there any reason why you aren't using the bulge plugin, placing the center a tad under the mustache, cranking up the power with some taper on it and keyframing the center to move from left to right?

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 - Robert H

On 2/4/2020 4:42 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk wrote:
Thanks Rachel,

To better understand on the "not enough transform points", can you elaborate?=C2=A0 Since that used Me= sh Warp, are you suggest adding more rows and columns?=C2=A0 (2 and 8 now).

Eric

On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 7:24 PM Rachel Max <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
Hi Eric - I=E2=80=99m just catching = up here but my opinion is you don=E2=80=99t have enough transform points (pos x, y and rotation) to make this look realistic and timing is off - should be faster.

You don=E2=80=99t need fancy plugins= for this.

Compositing might also need some thought.

Keep at it - Rachel



On Feb 4, 2020, at 11:55 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
For those still tracking this, here is a very crude snippet of what I'm doing.= =C2=A0 I just wanted to see if I could do the effect note in Doritos Commercial with Sam Elliott.

As you can see, the smoothness is horrid.=C2=A0 I've tried every suggestion= so far here and it is still very jumpy.




On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 5:14 PM jpcurtis <AE-List@media-motion.= tv> wrote:
I don=E2=80=99t have that effect.=C2=A0 = It looks like it could be useful for warping your mustache.=C2=A0 There are a few tutorials o= n aescripts on how to work it.


On Feb 4, 2020, at 3:44 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

Thanks Curtis. I actually have that.=C2=A0 Would that do it= ? Never have used it yet.=C2=A0

On Mon, Feb 3, 2020, 22:46 jpcurtis <AE-List@media-motion.tv>= ; wrote:
Something like this?




On Feb 3, 2020, at 8:48 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk <AE-Li= st@media-motion.tv> wrote:

That's exactly what I began with.=C2=A0 :) but then it wasnt smooth so might have to try that again.

I wish there was a way to use a mask as a path except path but keep the object static and just morph with a curved mask.



On Mon, Feb 3, 2020, 21:45 jpcurtis <AE-List@m= edia-motion.tv> wrote:
= Puppet Tool?

> On Feb 3, 2020, at 7:15 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
>
> Also, i suppose while I'm asking, any thoughts on best way TO animate? I'm using mesh warp to animate the mustache right now.
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